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Old 04-25-2014, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Shouldering a Handgun with a Sig SB15 Brace - YouTube


I saw this contraption in a gun mag and immediately dismissed it as a useless gimmick. Who is going to have time to wrap a Velcro strap around his/her forearm in a self-defense situation, I thought. But it turns out that that is not necessary under the law. Due to BATF ruling, this is basically an SBR with no annoying paperwork.

My friend told me that he had built an AR pistol w/ arm brace, and that it was his ATF (all time favorite) AR. He can legally carry it in his vehicle, even carry it concealed under a coat if he wants.

It is undoubtedly clever, but is it practical? You're losing a lot of velocity with a 10 inch barrel in .223, and it's still not really a substitute for a handgun. Who is going to carry it under a parka? Walter Mitty? If you're going to carry such a thing, why not have a real rifle with a 16, 18, or even 20 inch barrel?

What's your assessment? Gimmick or game-changer?
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Old 04-25-2014, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Sinkholeville
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I want one for my Draco, but I want it to also fold for concealability (hey, it's still a pistol!)
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by BATFE
The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked.

Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA.
https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...ing_braces.pdf

Be careful out there.
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Old 01-25-2015, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Further proof the BATFE rules are as crazy as that 7 round limit in a magazine joke in New York.

They'll probably have drones watching AR pistol shooters everywhere one of these days.
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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I bought one on a lark, and was putting a parts order together to build it....then looked again. The buffer tube takes up a lot of territory on the back side - almost as much as a buttstock. The shortened barrel is of interest, but the buffer tube just sticks out like a sore thumb - so I've opted to put in the paperwork on a SBR instead, and will mount the suppressor on it as well. I'm not so foolish as to think that it's going to serve any practical application for me, it's just something that would be interesting at the range.
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Old 01-25-2015, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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There was an earlier ruling that a Sig-brace (or those short-stock mini-rifles) were completely legal. But then they reversed their earlier position.

You won't have to worry about ATF drones patrolling around gun clubs. What you have to worry about is someone posting a picture to Facebook or Instagram with your Sig-brace shouldered. According to ATF rules, as soon as you shoulder that weapon it instantly becomes a SBR instead of a pistol. And once a rifle, always a rifle, so that rifle is illegal forever unless you get it registered and pay the tax.
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Old 01-26-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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I have an SBR, so I have no need of it, but I have a friend who tried one, and he said that until he actually used it, he thought it was a stupid gimmick, but after using it, he was impressed and dubbed it genuinely functional. I still have no desire for one, personally, but for those who can't own SBR's or who are disabled (who it was made for...), it seems legit.
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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Arm brace really helps to steady a larger heavier pistol.
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