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Old 06-07-2009, 04:24 AM
 
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Which do you fell is the better cap and ball revolver, why?

(Talking modern replicas here, not true vintage examples. Though if you want to talk about those, do identify the fact. I'm interested in shooters not collectibles in this thread, though of course design features overlap.)
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:56 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I much prefer the Colt, it feels better in the hand, is not nearly so prone to chain fires as I have had Remingtons do all to many times, it dissasembles easier and lends itself to customizing much better as well, and, it's a Colt! I like the Remington just fine, and I have one in my collection. But all in all, I prefer the Colt. I find the 58's grip rather uncomfortable in comparison, (I have a fairly large hand) thus the 60 Army just fits better. I find the 58 comparable to the 51 or 61 Navy Colt. I use my cap and balls in reenactment(Cavalry) so the 60 is my choice to supplement my 54 Sharps. Chain fires with blanks are pretty common with the 58 because the solid top strap holds the burn closer to the cylinder. We can't use lube with blanks because it will foul the charge so the Colt works better. This is not so much a concern with live rounds as one WILL be using lube. So, in the end it boils down to personal preferance in the overall feel of the pistol in ones hand.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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I had the CVA 1861 Navy at one time. Nice balanced gun. Luckily the hammer notch sights were right on for 20 gr. Pyrodex P. So if the 58 is similar to that in grip, that's fine. (My favorite grip is a toss between Navy Colt and Super Blackhawk for single action.)

The usual line is that the 58 was more reliable back in the day and more were sold after the Civil War. I'm curious if replicas are similar in that respect. I've decided on one of the Army's because the higher bullet weight will help to give it some extra stopping power. The 86 grain ball in .36 caliber at black powder velocities is puts it in the .380 range. Not exactly a good stopper. Generally considered marginal or for a backup for police. (Thought man stopping isn't what I had in mind.)

The .44 on the other hand seem to throw enough lead and can hold almost enough powder to be on par with .45 Long Colt black powder loadings, since those were about 40 grains. So the 30 grains typical of the Army's isn't too far off.

Hmm... chain fires. Yeah I always use grease on the front, so I don't expect a problem there.

Well, guess I'll just have to go out and find two and see what how they compare. I was leaning toward 58's for the alleged reliability factor. Also seems most of the drop in cartridge cylinders for the 58 are 6 round whereas the 60's all seem to be 5 shots.
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Old 06-08-2009, 07:13 PM
 
Location: The Raider Nation._ Our band kicks brass
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I have the Remington with the brass frame. My brother bought it for my 12th birthday. I like the looks because of the backstrap. I have never shot the Colt , so I can't compare them that way. I have only had one chain fire. I was about 16, and forgot to grease the cylinder. I will never ever make that mistake again. All 6 chambers at the same time. No damage, and no injuries. Just one seriously terrified kid. Even at 43 I still think about that terrible mistake, and how lucky I really was.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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I much prefer the Colt, it feels better in the hand, is not nearly so prone to chain fires as I have had Remingtons do all to many times, it dissasembles easier and lends itself to customizing much better as well, and, it's a Colt! I like the Remington just fine, and I have one in my collection. But all in all, I prefer the Colt. I find the 58's grip rather uncomfortable in comparison, (I have a fairly large hand) thus the 60 Army just fits better. I find the 58 comparable to the 51 or 61 Navy Colt. I use my cap and balls in reenactment(Cavalry) so the 60 is my choice to supplement my 54 Sharps. Chain fires with blanks are pretty common with the 58 because the solid top strap holds the burn closer to the cylinder. We can't use lube with blanks because it will foul the charge so the Colt works better. This is not so much a concern with live rounds as one WILL be using lube. So, in the end it boils down to personal preferance in the overall feel of the pistol in ones hand.

How do you load blanks, behind a paper wad or something?
I'v got a 36 cal 51 Navy but its been years since I shot it. Shoots very high & theres no front sight to work with. It is fun to play with though.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Default You feelin' lucky, punk? (I know; wrong movie...)

Which gun did Clint use in the movie when he quick-changed the cylinder in the middle of the street fight? I believe it as a top-loader... impressive.

I used to own one of the 1858 Remingtons in a fairly chincy Italian clone back in, oh about 1985. It worked but didn't impress with it's quality of workmanship so it's gone. Now I'm looking at the open-topped 45LC cartridge models for SASS.
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Old 06-10-2009, 12:08 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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How do you load blanks, behind a paper wad or something?
I'v got a 36 cal 51 Navy but its been years since I shot it. Shoots very high & theres no front sight to work with. It is fun to play with though.
We just use a 35 gr charge and pack it down with cream of wheat. Pack it tight and it makes an impressive pop. We use the cream of wheat because it disapates right out of the muzzle pretty much. 30 feet is our discharge safety zone. At ten feet it will pop ballons. It's a hoot to gallop around a course on the horse and blast ballons. But we can't use lube of any kind because it will cause the cream of wheat to stick together and maybe travel to far. The Rem tends to like to chain fire with blanks where I've never had a Colt do it.
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Old 06-10-2009, 12:11 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Which gun did Clint use in the movie when he quick-changed the cylinder in the middle of the street fight? I believe it as a top-loader... impressive.

I used to own one of the 1858 Remingtons in a fairly chincy Italian clone back in, oh about 1985. It worked but didn't impress with it's quality of workmanship so it's gone. Now I'm looking at the open-topped 45LC cartridge models for SASS.
That was Pale Rider? Or was it Josey Wales I think the former....that was a later model Remington...(75?) Cartrige gun
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Old 06-10-2009, 05:25 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I think the movie was the one with Morgan Freeman. The Unforgiven?
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Old 06-22-2009, 08:07 PM
 
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Clint used a 1851 Navy in "The Outlaw Josie Wales". He used a 1858 New Army In "Pale Rider".
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