05-21-2014, 09:08 PM
Location: VA
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I see that JCPenney closed at Military Circle Mall. Its sad how that mall went down. This is bad for the city of Norfolk because the city will loose tax revenue. I read in the past that the military highway corridor made the city more than downtown Norfolk business district. Sears closed 2 years ago. The doubletree hotel closed and wasn't remodeled. Also Anna's Linens moved to Janaf Shopping Center.
05-22-2014, 06:40 AM
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I see that JCPenney closed at Military Circle Mall. Its sad how that mall went down...
VAB, hi.. if u don't mind me asking, how far do you go back (?) Because I also remember Military being busy, but never nice. In the first half of the 80s there weren't many movie screens in VB, so I remember ppl from the beach going to Military & Janaf for the movie theaters.. and Military used to have an Orange Julius, which was kinda tight.. but it seems like Military was always kinda' beat up, ideal consumers have never really been at Military, probably that's slowly sealed it's fate (?)
Not sure what they would put there, like u stated.. it's @ nice crossroads, but..
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05-22-2014, 08:28 AM
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VAB, hi.. if u don't mind me asking, how far do you go back (?) Because I also remember Military being busy, but never nice. In the first half of the 80s there weren't many movie screens in VB, so I remember ppl from the beach going to Military & Janaf for the movie theaters.. and Military used to have an Orange Julius, which was kinda tight.. but it seems like Military was always kinda' beat up, ideal consumers have never really been at Military, probably that's slowly sealed it's fate (?)
I go back to the 90's. It was never as nice as Lynnhaven in Va Beach but Military Circle used to be the only mall in Norfolk before MacArthur was built. Even when MacArthur was built, Military Circle was remodeled and Sears was added. MacArthur Center started out as an upscale mall and had lots of stores new to the region. Now, MacArthur went down and Lynnhaven went up so they both competing and have a lot of the same stores. MacArthur going down probably hurt Military Circle because by MacArthur downscaling it caused more shoppers to go there. MacArthur even has urban stores now. It used to complement Military Circle and Greenbriar cuz it had Norstroms and Dillards whereas Military Circle and Grernbriar had Macy's, Sears, and JCPenney.
But ur right about ideal consumers not having Military Circle as the first stop mall unless they lived in Norfolk or parts of Va Beach like college park or over there off witchduck and Newtown rd.
Do u think they should build a town center there? Or a shopping center like Portsmouth did with Victory Crossing for the old Tower Mall? I think its perfect for a sports arena but hampton roads area isn't likely gonna get that.
05-22-2014, 12:14 PM
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Nobody wants to go there. It's not a safe place to shop. If you go to that mall, you risk getting robbed or shot.
05-23-2014, 05:02 AM
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I go back to the 90's. It was never as nice as Lynnhaven in Va Beach but Military Circle used to be the only mall in Norfolk before MacArthur was built.
(hi again).. I like the idea of something like a town center there.. but imo., Norfolk has a real problem, where every nice project they construct eventually becomes a gangsters' paradise.
Waterside was essentially an early town center.. it just kept having problems keeping ppl coming into downton Norfolk. In the late 90s, Waterside kinda' revitalized with night clubs (Have a Nice Day cafe', etc).. but when they started having shootings in the parking garage, the clubs were finished. Decent ppl don't wanna deal with that. MacArthur's curfews,.. Military Circle's demise. It unfortunately is the same script over & over. If u get bored, Google image search 'Military Circle mall', it's pictures of mugshots, arrests, & flash mobs (smh).
The paradigm of Norfolk's leadership will probably have to change (into old school, law & order types) for the city to get serious about improving, but can they win elections ?.. It seems like Hampton is able to build nice attractions (like Power Plant & their new convention center) and they don't have the problems Norfolk does, or am I missing something (?) /peace/
05-24-2014, 10:35 AM
Location: Portsmouth, VA
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I see that JCPenney closed at Military Circle Mall. Its sad how that mall went down. This is bad for the city of Norfolk because the city will loose tax revenue. I read in the past that the military highway corridor made the city more than downtown Norfolk business district. Sears closed 2 years ago. The doubletree hotel closed and wasn't remodeled. Also Anna's Linens moved to Janaf Shopping Center.
Talk to the owner of the mall. Chances are, nothing will happen to it. Military reminds me of Salem Mall in Trotwood, OH when it was open. When I was in the city, the entire second floor of the mall was abandoned, the Sears was the only anchor store open and they had a post office there. The food court was closed. It was a few years after that the mall was demolished and made way for something else.
Some dead malls continue to stand long after all of the tenants have left. Military may be an exception because it is not in suburbia, as many dead malls are so the chances for a turnaround are actually a lot greater but it all depends on the owner.
It went down for all of the reasons all indoor shopping malls go down.
Better prices at other stores outside of the mall
Better selection of merchandise at other stores
Curfews and other restrictions on teenagers at the mall
Violence, or the potential for violence
An inability to attract other races, socioeconomic factors to the mall
The kids that go to Military Mall are already at Janaf Shopping Center. No reason for them to go downtown or to Chesapeake. Plus Chesapeake has a different dynamic than Military Mall, which is consistent with the demographics of the city as Chesapeake Square Mall and MacArthur Mall are actually a lot closer than Greenbrier, for the socioeconomic group that would normally hang out at Military Mall and Janaf. MacArthur has its own crowd that lives nearby. People generally shop where they live, rarely do people leave their own neighborhoods to shop elsewhere unless there are special deals, there is an outlet mall, or they happen to be in a mall in a different neighborhood because they had other business in that neighborhood. A WalMart is being raised on Virginia Beach Avenue where Bill's Market existed. I am not going to stop visiting the WalMart on Tidewater Ave. to go all the way out to that WalMart. I rarely go to the WalMart on Sam's Way in Chesapeake as it is. People will just crowd into other stores in their neighborhood.
The future is lifestyle centers and strip malls.
06-01-2014, 08:01 AM
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06-01-2014, 10:52 AM
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Good news. Military Circle may have its issues but that mall is not going down without a fight. I've seen far worse cases than Military Circle so I doubt it is going anywhere soon.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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