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Old 08-03-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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I don't know if any of you heard about this but despite that, here is some information that I found on the topic:
Maps:



Sorry about the size of the map, that is size that it designed as via the MTP Transit website.
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:56 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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All it is on hold , just like everything in PA.....
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Old 08-03-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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One idea I thought of that I've never seen proposed would be to have an RDC (like Syracuse's late and somewhat lamented OnTrack) daily travel from Millersburg, Halifax, Clarks Ferry, Dauphin, to the Harrisburg Amtrak station. This is the corridor where travel by bus or car would only be on two lane roads so the train might possibly be faster. That is an active freight line but just maybe the scheduling for rush hour RDC's would work out between the freights - and the line is mostly at grade through towns so bus shelter type stations could be placed without some of the crazy expenses some of these projects get into.
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Old 08-03-2011, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Downtown Harrisburg
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I think one of the biggest roadblocks to regional rail transit locally is this "we ain't need none o' that thar fancy big-city subway!" mentality. Honest to god, you'd think the most vocal objectors assume the MTA is going to set up shop with a brand new station every quarter mile.

I think it could definitely be made to work, and I think demand will grow as any future sprawl will be forced to the southeast anyway. This will also go a long way towards solidifying a regional identity and tearing down the destructive hyper-localism that's so prevalent here.

As for myself, I would LOVE to see light rail (which the CRRC is not) hit this region. Unfortunately, this probably won't happen in my lifetime, as our population would need to double before light rail stands a chance of taking off.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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It would be cool whenever this system is eventually built, that it connects with MARC from Maryland.
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD/Washington DC
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The south central PA metro areas aren't big enough to feasibly support commuter rail IMO, and the existing Amtrak Keystone service already partially fills a commuter rail need between Harrisburg and Lancaster to boot. Also, south central PA doesn't have enough traffic congestion where the need for commuter rail is super-high. The only place where it is marginally feasible IMO is connecting Harrisburg to eastern Cumberland County.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:26 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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The south central PA metro areas aren't big enough to feasibly support commuter rail IMO, and the existing Amtrak Keystone service already partially fills a commuter rail need between Harrisburg and Lancaster to boot. Also, south central PA doesn't have enough traffic congestion where the need for commuter rail is super-high. The only place where it is marginally feasible IMO is connecting Harrisburg to eastern Cumberland County.
And apparently, Cumberland County is to Dauphin County what Butler County is to Allegheny County. In other words, don't hold your breath waiting for any rail transit between the two.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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be nice if such proposals came over to Franklin county
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:56 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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The south central PA metro areas aren't big enough to feasibly support commuter rail IMO, and the existing Amtrak Keystone service already partially fills a commuter rail need between Harrisburg and Lancaster to boot. Also, south central PA doesn't have enough traffic congestion where the need for commuter rail is super-high. The only place where it is marginally feasible IMO is connecting Harrisburg to eastern Cumberland County.
That part of PA is starting to have congestion issues between the small and large cities , so I wouldn't Rule rail out. That part of PA is expected to add 2-3 Million by 2030 mostly in or around the Urban centers....
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD/Washington DC
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That part of PA is starting to have congestion issues between the small and large cities , so I wouldn't Rule rail out. That part of PA is expected to add 2-3 Million by 2030 mostly in or around the Urban centers....
Nexis4Jersey, do you ever make comments that make logical sense? South central Pennsylvania, which I'll define as the following 8 counties - Dauphin, Cumberland, Perry, Lebanon, Lancaster, York, Adams, and Franklin - COMBINED do not have a population of 2 million people RIGHT NOW. There's no way that region, which is a relatively slow-growing region by national standards, is more than doubling its population in the next 20 years. And even if the region does experience a significant population increase (and parts of it will, like the southern portion of York County), significant chunks of the added population will work outside the region, especially in Baltimore, Washington, and Philadelphia. On top of all of that, commuter rail works best when you have a high percentage of people working in a concentrated job location. South central PA has THREE primary hub cities (Harrisburg, Lancaster, and York), which means the number of jobs in any one of those CBDs will almost definitely be less than if you had one city that had the combined urbanized and metropolitan population of Harrisburg, Lancaster, and York together. Finally, I think Harrisburg is the only one of those cities with a relatively large percentage of its metro area jobs located in the CBD, because of the presence of the Pennsylvania state government.

I'd subjectively like to see Capital Area Transit's vision of a regional commuter rail network come into being too, but frankly, it isn't financially viable. IMO, it would actually make more sense to build more bridges across the Susquehanna River, especially in the Harrisburg area, if you want to address congestion issues in the region.

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