04-09-2013, 01:50 PM
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As you may know Frontier is starting flights from Wilmington Airport in a few weeks. When they made the decision to fly from Trenton airport they immediately cancelled domestic flights from ABE and PHL (still fly internationally from PHL).
Allegiant slightly increase service from ABE-SFB to make up for the loss of their competition to Orlando, but it will only replace a small fraction of the passengers. In turn Frontier carried far fewer passengers than AirTran.
Do you think that they will do the same thing with MDT airport?
04-09-2013, 04:51 PM
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Hard to tell since MDT can't get the airlines to lower their prices to the competitive market of BWI, PHL or even EWR. It's a shame because the proximity of MDT to so many potential travelers is there, but when you are saving over 1/2 of a ticket price to drive to one of the larger airports, even with the cost of time/tolls and parking~it often comes out to significantly less money. Plus, there are more options for direct flights or rescheduling cancelled flights at the larger airports. If you can't get out of MDT on time to make your connecting flight, you are s-t-u-c-k.
04-14-2013, 11:55 AM
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I just scored a roundtrip ticket to Phoenix out of HIA for 328 dollars including tax. I could have gotten it for about 270 but the days I wanted to travel weren't offered at that lower price. Bargains can be had but they are hard to find some times.
I didn't even check BWI or PHL.........maybe I should have but I doubt the price would have warranted to hassle, although sometimes it does for sure.
04-15-2013, 12:24 PM
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Hard to tell since MDT can't get the airlines to lower their prices to the competitive market of BWI, PHL or even EWR.
Pricing is so arbitrary that it is difficult to say anything that is true all the time. At times it is
cheaper to fly out of ABE to Philadelphia and then board a second plane to some destination than it is just to drive to Philadelphia and park at your own expense and get on the plane directly to your final destination.
United Airlines charters a bus from ABE to Newark which can be booked just like a plane flight. Once again it is usually only slightly more expensive, and often cheaper to book the bus to Newark then to drive there yourself and pay parking. The only downside is there is often a 2-3 hour layover.
To many people it is worth up to an extra $40 to fly out of their local airport and reduce the hassles. Especially if someone is dropping you off and wants to use the car while you are gone.
04-15-2013, 12:46 PM
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Isn't their a grant involved for the MDT-DEN service?
For someone in Malvern, Coatesville and Downington, MDT was quite a hike but possibly doable for a low fare. But if there are closer options in ILG and TTN, MDT might not be supported by that crowd.
MDT though is really for Harrisburg-Lebanon-Lancaster-York region however, so any pull from the western suburbs of Philly or Reading was a bonus.
I could see Frontier interested in Hagerstown (HGR). HGR is within one hour of areas like Gaithersburg, MD, a suburb in the DC market. It could add MCO/Orlando, TPA/Tampa and MDW/Chicago services, while DCA keeps the DEN service. I think it'll pass on FLL with Spirit and Southwest battling it out at BWI on low fares already.
If the grant is still there though on MDT-DEN, it might keep Frontier at MDT, with the Orlando services as well. It might not add more flights at MDT, if greater interest is to be within one hour of Philly, DC and/or NYC suburbs. But if the current service at MDT is doing well, maybe it's worth adding more service there-likely TPA and maybe even MYR or FLL could be done.
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04-16-2013, 11:03 PM
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Isn't their a grant involved for the MDT-DEN service? If the grant is still there though on MDT-DEN, it might keep Frontier at MDT, with the Orlando services as well. It might not add more flights at MDT, if greater interest is to be within one hour of Philly, DC and/or NYC suburbs. But if the current service at MDT is doing well, maybe it's worth adding more service there-likely TPA and maybe even MYR or FLL could be done.
It looks like you are correct, they did get a grant for this route, but it only comes for one year. I wonder why ABE never has gotten one of these grants.
Small Community Air Service Development Program (SCASDP) Grant Selections by Fiscal Year
2002 Reading - $470,000
2003 Erie - $500,000
2004 Dubois - $400,000
2004 Latrobe - $600,000
2004 Wilkes-Barre/Scranton - $625,000
2005 Bradford - $220,000
2005 Williamsport - $500,000
2006 Harrisburg - $400,000
2007 PADOT - $400,000
2008 State College - $474,000
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Harrisburg - $500,000
2011 Latrobe- $200,000
2012 Williamsport- $500,000
04-17-2013, 09:55 AM
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To be honest, I'm curious how ILG will do. I don't think ILG-IAH and ILG-DEN are sustainable, but maybe I'm wrong. DEN has connections though but it's a long flight still. From that aspect, hopefully ILG-DEN won't dilute sales of MDT-DEN as well. Offering MDT-DEN daily would have made more sense since it's MDT's most west flight and there is less competition in the MDT area than at ILG/PHL.
From the Wilmington/Philly area to reach the west coast, there is still Virgin America which competes against US and United. So, why stop and change planes in DEN, when it's cheap to fly nonstop all the way.
I do like that Frontier offers DirecTV but it's not complimentary like it's how it's offered on JetBlue (not that JetBlue really matters here, since most of their services are out of JFK and BOS).
Hopefully the ILG-Florida works and ILG-MDW for Frontier. I was surprised it didn't offer ATL.
If Southwest pulls out of the PHL-ATL route (currently flown by AirTran), I could easily see Frontier adding ILG-ATL. Most business passengers from the Philadelphia side will support US Airways (or American after merger), while Atlanta based customers will support Delta, leaving Southwest as a third weel relying a lot on connections, rather than more profitable business pax O&D. Leisure pax will get screwed and there will be higher fares on PHL-ATL nonstop, making Frontier's alternative airport/ low frequency but low fares more enticing to that crowd.
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05-16-2013, 06:31 PM
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Isn't the Frontier flight to Denver only in the summer ?
I think it would make more sense for MDT to focus on being a regional airport. I don't think flying to somewhere like Denver has staying power here. Not enough people want to fly from Harrisburg to Denver to make that sensible.
People will use MDT to fly to regional cities, or to fly to regional hubs in order to then get a longer flight somewhere else.
Most of the flights out of MDT make sense. The flight to Denver does not. And it would not be a big loss for MDT to lose that flight.
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People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)