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Old 02-20-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Low class, uneducated people have to live somewhere. I was under the impression all these warehouses were good for the Cumberland Valley.

Have you traveled on I - 81? It is a complete mess. How about considering the number of accidents caused and involving tractor trailers the past 5 years? It has gotten out of hand. Cumberland County has had a build anywhere approach and it has drastically affected the QOL, in terms of air pollution (which is considered one of the WORST in the nation), traffic, and noise. Have you ever tried to walk in the once charming town of Carlisle? Now it is filled with traffic from trucks.

There is a way you grow and develop an industry, a way you balance growth, and a way you over develop. And the leaders of Cumberland County have done the latter. Yes, people need jobs, but the way county leaders have chosen this build anywhere approach, clogging 2 lane rural roads by building massive warehouses where infrastructure cannot handle it, is truly lack of forward thinking on the county leaders behalf.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Chambersburg, PA
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Have you traveled on I - 81? It is a complete mess. How about considering the number of accidents caused and involving tractor trailers the past 5 years? It has gotten out of hand. Cumberland County has had a build anywhere approach and it has drastically affected the QOL, in terms of air pollution (which is considered one of the WORST in the nation), traffic, and noise. Have you ever tried to walk in the once charming town of Carlisle? Now it is filled with traffic from trucks.

There is a way you grow and develop an industry, a way you balance growth, and a way you over develop. And the leaders of Cumberland County have done the latter. Yes, people need jobs, but the way county leaders have chosen this build anywhere approach, clogging 2 lane rural roads by building massive warehouses where infrastructure cannot handle it, is truly lack of forward thinking on the county leaders behalf.
I used to travel from Saint Thomas to Carlisle for work from 2011 to 2014. I got around just fine.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:04 PM
 
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Low class, uneducated people have to live somewhere. I was under the impression all these warehouses were good for the Cumberland Valley.
They're an excellent opportunity for low-skilled workers. As you alluded to, those people need jobs as well, so I'd also chalk them up as a good thing.
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Old 02-20-2018, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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They're an excellent opportunity for low-skilled workers. As you alluded to, those people need jobs as well, so I'd also chalk them up as a good thing.

If all we aspire to is $12 hour warehouse jobs in Central PA.... Then we are wholly not forward thinking on any major level. It is disappointing the majority rather settle, today. Than compete and do more. A lesson in economics will enlighten that each industry offers lower skilled work, and economically investing in the right industry will offer the most opportunity. It certainly IS NOT logistics. The mentality of, anything is better than nothing, is far short sighted.



AND TO DENY TRUCK TRAFFIC IS A NIGHTMARE ON I - 81. Means both of the above individuals have no major daily commute on 81 between Carlisle and Harrisburg. St. Thomas is south of Carlise, and therefore avoiding the major interchanges where the heaviest truck traffic is present on 81. And that is between Carlisle to Harrisburg.

Watch the news, and you would understand the prolific problem it has become on 81.

I hate to say it, but neither of you understand the prolific problems the warehouses have brought to Harrisburg, as neither of you live there. Nor do either, understand the tax problems and infrastructure headaches both present. Until you live in Carlisle, Silver Spring Twp., Mechanicsburg or a neighboring borough I think you largely are not aware of the present problems to be frank.

Judging from afar in Chambersburg, a wholly separate county, is the epitome of courting apples where they have no merit.

I am from Harrisburg. I have close family in Carlisle, Mechanicsburg, Harrisburg, Dauphin, Hershey, Middletown, Colonial Park, Silver Spring Twp. etc .I see the effects first hand. They are beyond negative.

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Old 02-21-2018, 08:18 PM
 
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If all we aspire to is $12 hour warehouse jobs in Central PA.... Then we are wholly not forward thinking on any major level. It is disappointing the majority rather settle, today. Than compete and do more. A lesson in economics will enlighten that each industry offers lower skilled work, and economically investing in the right industry will offer the most opportunity. It certainly IS NOT logistics. The mentality of, anything is better than nothing, is far short sighted.



AND TO DENY TRUCK TRAFFIC IS A NIGHTMARE ON I - 81. Means both of the above individuals have no major daily commute on 81 between Carlisle and Harrisburg. St. Thomas is south of Carlise, and therefore avoiding the major interchanges where the heaviest truck traffic is present on 81. And that is between Carlisle to Harrisburg.

Watch the news, and you would understand the prolific problem it has become on 81.

I hate to say it, but neither of you understand the prolific problems the warehouses have brought to Harrisburg, as neither of you live there. Nor do either, understand the tax problems and infrastructure headaches both present. Until you live in Carlisle, Silver Spring Twp., Mechanicsburg or a neighboring borough I think you largely are not aware of the present problems to be frank.

Judging from afar in Chambersburg, a wholly separate county, is the epitome of courting apples where they have no merit.

I am from Harrisburg. I have close family in Carlisle, Mechanicsburg, Harrisburg, Dauphin, Hershey, Middletown, Colonial Park, Silver Spring Twp. etc .I see the effects first hand. They are beyond negative.
1. What other employers are coming to the area to facilitate wages higher than $12 per hour? I'd love to see some higher paying jobs come to the area, but (A. We're not seen as a terribly business-friendly state (B. You need to have companies willing to relocate here.

2. I've driven between Carlisle and Harrisburg many times. You can't SOLELY blame the trucks. Areas of higher population will naturally have busier highways.

3. Have you BEEN to Franklin County lately? We have several logistics and industrial parks with ongoing warehouse construction. To act as if we're completely removed from the benefits and pitfalls of the logistics industry is ludicrous.
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Old 02-22-2018, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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1. What other employers are coming to the area to facilitate wages higher than $12 per hour? I'd love to see some higher paying jobs come to the area, but (A. We're not seen as a terribly business-friendly state (B. You need to have companies willing to relocate here.

2. I've driven between Carlisle and Harrisburg many times. You can't SOLELY blame the trucks. Areas of higher population will naturally have busier highways.

3. Have you BEEN to Franklin County lately? We have several logistics and industrial parks with ongoing warehouse construction. To act as if we're completely removed from the benefits and pitfalls of the logistics industry is ludicrous.
The last time I worked a freight dock I was getting over $20/hr and that was 25 years ago. Also I have heard that temporary employees get somewhere around $18/hr at my local Walmart distribution center. As a driver, in Carlisle, about 15 years ago I was making around $75K/year. I had Walmart drivers tell me that they were making more than I was making - for whatever it is worth.

Maybe I am wrong and there are still some warehouses that pay low rates? As more warehouses open up they will increase the pay when they have to compete for workers. I would never take anybody's word that any job pays a particular rate; I would ask for myself. I would also not stop with one job that pays a minimum wage; I would continually look until I found one that paid better money. Warehouse work, trucking, are hard jobs and your worth every penny you make.

By the way; I loved Carlisle. I miss some of the food I had down there and I use to shoot at a local shooting/fishing club. You do have to watch their local police department; they like revenue! I did not get ticketed but many of my coworkers did.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:36 PM
 
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Thank you all for your responses. Both towns definitely have their own unique features. How about I add in Hummelstown to the conversation? That town has a pretty little town square.
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