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Old 07-01-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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12.8% of teens attempts suicide in Hawaii. That's double the national average. Something to think about for people considering raising children here.

Some reasons discussed by the PBS panel are:
Parents struggling to make ends meet, working multiple jobs, giving them less time to spend with children (considered normal and acceptable by many posters on this forum).
Substance abuse.
High rate of homelessness (including having to move around and stay with relatives).
Domestic violence.
Undiagnosed depression (for cultural reasons).
Stigma preventing discussion of suicide. "No make shame".

Insights on PBS Hawaii - Teen Suicide - July 15, 2010

Mental Health Hawaii just got a grant for suicide and bullying prevention.
Hawaii-Filipino Chronicle --News -- Hawaii -- Mental Health America of Hawaii Gets Grants For Youth Suicide, Bullying Prevention -- June 18, 2011 (http://thefilipinochronicle.com/hfchronicle%20news_hawaii_Mental%20Health%20Americ a_06182011.html - broken link)
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Old 07-01-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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12.8% of teens attempts suicide in Hawaii. That's double the national average. Something to think about for people considering raising children here.

Some reasons discussed by the PBS panel are:
Parents struggling to make ends meet, working multiple jobs, giving them less time to spend with children (considered normal and acceptable by many posters on this forum).
Substance abuse.
High rate of homelessness (including having to move around and stay with relatives).
Domestic violence.
Undiagnosed depression (for cultural reasons).
Stigma preventing discussion of suicide. "No make shame".

Insights on PBS Hawaii - Teen Suicide - July 15, 2010

Mental Health Hawaii just got a grant for suicide and bullying prevention.
Hawaii-Filipino Chronicle --News -- Hawaii -- Mental Health America of Hawaii Gets Grants For Youth Suicide, Bullying Prevention -- June 18, 2011 (http://thefilipinochronicle.com/hfchronicle%20news_hawaii_Mental%20Health%20Americ a_06182011.html - broken link)
Having no future takes its toll. Very sad.

Sometimes, I think people don't pay attention to the 4 large numbers at the top of every calender. Currently, those numbers read 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 (it isn't 1945 anymore). It's a whole new world, and if you are going to live in it, you have to compete in it, and to do that you need good schools, good government etc. Tennessee, Texas, New Jersey, Wisconsin and a a few other states have figured it out. California, Hawaii, etc., don't and probably won't get it.
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Hawaii is a gorgeous state with tons of natural resources (including incredibly nice people) and a booming tourist economy...but it runs like a third world country. Why?
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Old 07-04-2011, 02:12 AM
 
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Tennessee, Texas, New Jersey, and Wisconsin will all find the problems listed by the OP, Republican or not.

-Parents struggling to make ends meet, working multiple jobs, giving them less time to spend with children (considered normal and acceptable by many posters on this forum).
-Substance abuse.
-High rate of homelessness (including having to move around and stay with relatives).
-Domestic violence.
-Undiagnosed depression (for cultural reasons).
-Stigma preventing discussion of suicide. "No make shame".


Memphis, Houston, and Camden are not exempt from these.

As someone who is not very politically minded, turning attempted teen suicide rates into a political jab seems out of place and rather inappropriate. 12.8% leaves a high likelihood that at least a few people reading this thread have either attempted, know someone who has attempted, or is the parent or family member of a child who has attempted suicide... there is really nothing Republican or Democrat about that.

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Old 07-04-2011, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Southwest France
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Hawaii is a gorgeous state with tons of natural resources (including incredibly nice people) and a booming tourist economy...but it runs like a third world country. Why?
IMHO, I think its due to the isolation of the islands, coupled with lack of experience of how other states/counties/towns handle things.
For instance, if you live in Washington, you are probably aware of how Oregon handles XYZ. You've most likely visited OR, maybe know people there.
But if you live in Hawaii, you have no idea how Iowa handles education. And if you've never left the island you were born on, (which is pretty common) you're not even aware that there is a huge deficiency in what you're getting from your local goverment/school board/transportation dept etc.

Not to mention that there is a immigration population from places like the Philipines, Marshall Islands, Vietnam etc where corruption and graft are the norm.

Hiring your cousin in preference to a more qualified applicant is acceptable. So mediocrity becomes the norm.

And the beat goes on..
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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12.8% of teens attempts suicide in Hawaii. That's double the national average. Something to think about for people considering raising children here.
Alaska has similar statistics...
Suicide remains epidemic in Alaska report says (http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/10984662/article-Suicide-remains-epidemic-in-Alaska--report-says? - broken link)
Alaska Natives see heartbreak in suicide rate (http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/10640618/article-Alaska-Natives-see-heartbreak-in-suicide-rate - broken link)

Similar statistics can be found for youth on Indian reservations...
Indian Reservation Reeling in Wave of Youth Suicides and Attempts - New York Times
Indian reservations battle high teenage suicide rates

If one factors out the Native Hawaiian and part-Hawaiian population, the rate of suicide attempts by teens in Hawai'i is probably closer to the national average. However, more research needs to be done...
Ethnic Differences in Adolescent Suicide in the United States
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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Alaska has similar statistics...
Suicide remains epidemic in Alaska report says (http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/10984662/article-Suicide-remains-epidemic-in-Alaska--report-says? - broken link)
Alaska Natives see heartbreak in suicide rate (http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/10640618/article-Alaska-Natives-see-heartbreak-in-suicide-rate - broken link)

Similar statistics can be found for youth on Indian reservations...
Indian Reservation Reeling in Wave of Youth Suicides and Attempts - New York Times
Indian reservations battle high teenage suicide rates

If one factors out the Native Hawaiian and part-Hawaiian population, the rate of suicide attempts by teens in Hawai'i is probably closer to the national average. However, more research needs to be done...
Ethnic Differences in Adolescent Suicide in the United States
I wold see that Alaskan natives are in the same boat. Their "old ways" are holding them back. The world moves forward, with or without you.
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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IMHO, I think its due to the isolation of the islands, coupled with lack of experience of how other states/counties/towns handle things.
For instance, if you live in Washington, you are probably aware of how Oregon handles XYZ. You've most likely visited OR, maybe know people there.
But if you live in Hawaii, you have no idea how Iowa handles education. And if you've never left the island you were born on, (which is pretty common) you're not even aware that there is a huge deficiency in what you're getting from your local goverment/school board/transportation dept etc.

Not to mention that there is a immigration population from places like the Philipines, Marshall Islands, Vietnam etc where corruption and graft are the norm.

Hiring your cousin in preference to a more qualified applicant is acceptable. So mediocrity becomes the norm.

And the beat goes on..
No excuse for lack of info in information age (with internet and all). Things should be looking up.

Instead, when I moved there for a month, I was told to not expect people to care about doing things on a time table and to respect a laid-back, laissez faire attitude towards performance and punctuality.

Of course, this attitude has its merits, but not when the people are trying to compete with an increasingly fast-paced world.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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I wold see that Alaskan natives are in the same boat. Their "old ways" are holding them back. The world moves forward, with or without you.
There are plenty of folks that cling to the "old ways" who have no desire to take their own lives. In addition, some of the most "backward" places in the world have some of the lowest suicide rates.
List of countries by suicide rate
WHO Suicide Rates -- Country Reports

Culture, religion, gender, and other factors play a role in teen suicides at well. There's no clear-cut answer as to why suicide rates vary among different population groups.
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Old 07-04-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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Hawaii is different from the mainland, and undemocratically importing wholesale state governments from the mainland (places that have no idea how to live on an island or deal with the culture here) would not work or solve any problems. As for the public schools in Texas, let me see, they banned ethnic studies programs, teach intelligent design in science classes, and still paddle students from kindergarten through high school; a real forward-thinking institution that has moved on from the "old ways," huh?

Hawaii does not need to attract the attention of multi-national corporations; and the "old ways" of the islands being self-sufficient and environmentally sustainable were good, and we need to get back to them. Human development is what Hawaii needs to alleviate teen suicide rates, which has nothing to do with destroying the environment or propping up businesses that refuse to be socially responsible; it's about people coming together, and finding new ways of living together nonviolently, respecting other peoples emotions and creating a kinder society where everyone's rights are protected, and no one has to "compete" in order to survive.

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