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Old 06-25-2013, 02:18 AM
 
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Is Hawaii'i the most liberal state in the country? And what makes it so liberal? Interesting info for someone who wants to transplant(move)
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Old 06-25-2013, 02:32 AM
 
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We recently had a 2 term republican Governor. So kind of hard to be the most liberal.

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Old 06-25-2013, 02:44 AM
 
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We recently had a 2 term republican Governor. So kind of hard to be the most liberal.

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Isnt Hawai"i one of the only states that legalised same sex unions? Or wasnt it the first state to have a universal heathcare system? both very libral Current gov aside what else is liberal?
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:04 AM
 
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Is Hawaii'i the most liberal state in the country? And what makes it so liberal? Interesting info for someone who wants to transplant(move)
Define liberal?

When I think of liberal, I think of Seattle, San Francisco, Portland Oregon. Places that are really full-on going after a liberal agenda in every conceivable way. Women with women's rights issues, gay with gay rights issues, environmentalists with environmental issues, public transportation people with pro-transit agendas, recyclers with recyling agendas.

When I think of Hawaii, I think of something more akin to Minnesota. A group of people who aren't really zealous about anything in particular. Laid-back and just generally tolerant. No hatreds against anyone to speak of, in any particular way.

Among many conservatives though, anywhere that Democrats get voted in often, they assume to be some bastion of liberalness. Voting Democratic doesn't make someone liberal. It just makes them be against the Republican seemingly anti-everything agenda. People in Detroit vote Democratic, but they are definitely one of the more conservative least liberal cities (not proactive or progressive in any shape or form).

In short, Hawaii isn't 'liberal'. They just vote 'Democratic'. Probably due to the fact that most people don't fit into that very narrow version of 'to be American' that Republican ideaology stresses so much - i.e. white, straight, bible-oriented, wealth-oriented, career-obsessed, etc.
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:07 AM
 
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Isnt Hawai"i one of the only states that legalised same sex unions? Or wasnt it the first state to have a universal heathcare system? both very libral Current gov aside what else is liberal?
No to both of your questions.

First, no same sex marriage in Hawaii - but allowed in 12 states - so I'll give all those states more liberal points.

Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Universal healthcare - no, you have to go Massachusetts for that. Work less than 20 hours a week at a single employer like many people do in Hawaii and you are out of luck on healthcare. Over 20 hours a week healthcare is mandated but Massachusetts covers more people. So, another point on the liberal scale for them. (and they allow same sex marriage)
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:46 AM
 
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No to both of your questions.

First, no same sex marriage in Hawaii - but allowed in 12 states - so I'll give all those states more liberal points.

Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Universal healthcare - no, you have to go Massachusetts for that. Work less than 20 hours a week at a single employer like many people do in Hawaii and you are out of luck on healthcare. Over 20 hours a week healthcare is mandated but Massachusetts covers more people. So, another point on the liberal scale for them. (and they allow same sex marriage)
Hawaii did legalize same sex unions.

Recognition of same-sex unions in Hawaii - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

further yes hawaii had the first universal health care in the country

Hawaii Ending Universal Child Health Care - CBS News

Further just my op but i believe Hawai'i was one of the first states to legalise same sex unions? And def the first in universal health care. You maybe right, its not the most liberal now, maybe because of republican gov? But it was one of the most liberal
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:04 AM
 
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Oh here another, Hawai'i and Alaska where the first to overturn constitutional bans on same sex unions, thus making it legal i knew i read that someplace.

Timeline of same-sex marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:12 AM
 
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I don't know what to tell you Hawaiian - but a same sex union isn't even close to same sex marriage, which Hawaii does not allow.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:35 AM
 
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I don't know what to tell you Hawaiian - but a same sex union isn't even close to same sex marriage, which Hawaii does not allow.
Oh i understand. I just didnt know what was going on currently, the last i had heard was they where one of the most liberal states. Anyway thats what i get for being away for so long. Naw we can both be right. Any other firsts in Hawaii'i
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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Define liberal?

When I think of liberal, I think of Seattle, San Francisco, Portland Oregon. Places that are really full-on going after a liberal agenda in every conceivable way. Women with women's rights issues, gay with gay rights issues, environmentalists with environmental issues, public transportation people with pro-transit agendas, recyclers with recyling agendas.

When I think of Hawaii, I think of something more akin to Minnesota. A group of people who aren't really zealous about anything in particular. Laid-back and just generally tolerant. No hatreds against anyone to speak of, in any particular way.

Among many conservatives though, anywhere that Democrats get voted in often, they assume to be some bastion of liberalness. Voting Democratic doesn't make someone liberal. It just makes them be against the Republican seemingly anti-everything agenda. People in Detroit vote Democratic, but they are definitely one of the more conservative least liberal cities (not proactive or progressive in any shape or form).

In short, Hawaii isn't 'liberal'. They just vote 'Democratic'. Probably due to the fact that most people don't fit into that very narrow version of 'to be American' that Republican ideology stresses so much - i.e. white, straight, bible-oriented, wealth-oriented, career-obsessed, etc.
Conservatives are generaly for the status quo and not fixing things that aren't broken. Threfore, like most bond proposals that come up for a vote in the Californnia elections, voting against them is the rational thing to do, as most are mere boondogles (witness the high-speed rail project that will strangle the fiscal life out of the state coffers)

We know what "works", for it worked so spendidly that we, this little upstart of a collection of colonies in the "new world" grew, prospered and became the single greatest force for good the world has ever known, and did so in the space of a few short centuries. That is a formula not wisely trifled with under the influence of whatever trifle-de-jour comes down the pike, by every progressivist Tom, Dick, Obama or Harry that thinks that he is smarter than the collected wisdom of countless generations that preceeded him.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the Universal Health Care program in Hawaii crush under the weight of infinite demand/cost over-runs, and was replaced by a mandate that employers provide full time workers with health coverage, that has, in turned, belly-flopped, resulting in the need for many workers, especially those on the low end of the socio-economic scale, to work two or three part time jobs?????

This statement is as close to an oxy-moron as can be imagined. We aren't liberal, we just vote overwelmingly for the party of liberalism.

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