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Forget passengers on a barge. What Hawaii really needs are 2 old cruise ships, maybe 200 passenger-size. Run them slow and cheap overnight between each island, one clockwise around the islands, the other counter-clockwise. Use the existing cruise ship terminals, so no new infrastructure and no EIS. Screen passengers like TSA.
Remember Aloha stadium? Now 30+ years old. Theres a design flaw in the materal used and foundations, now the government may have to demolish it or come up with almost $99 million to completely restore the stadium and an additional $115 million for ongoing maintenance and refurbishment over the next 20 years to extend its useful life plus anyone remember how many delays in building happened? There are other current and past projects that just says it all. Whtviper1 thats just one project. Ready to open your wallet?
No what I don't see is how they could be grandfathered in. New law? New requirements for interisland shipping. Not sure why that is ignorant.
See that part where I mention that the EIS was actually for the state doing major harbor improvements. If the state modifies the harbors, the impacts should be studied. If the modifications allow a ferry to dock, those secondary effects should be studied too. If the barges use docks that already exist, no EIS for them.
But like I said, there other laws and regulations that were added to existing barge shipments. Fire ants getting to other islands? Better inspect all plant shipments. But those are after the fact. An EIS is a tool that says: let's be smart and study what might happen before it happens. We know dirt and mud on cars can carry invasive plant seeds, so we should plan to power wash all vehicle underbodies. The ferry didn't do this at first, then said they were going to do it, then I'm not sure if they ever did before quitting. And EIS would've probably mandated car washing stations, or policies to turn away any muddy cars.
The radical extremists only dodged a bullet because the Governor and Legislature got bad advice on the law they passed. Had they made the legislation "general" law - Superferry would have kept going. Since they erred on making it to specific the Superferry ran out of time. It was a super fail by elected officials to not know how to make a general law. It isn't the EIS that was the issue - it was the legislation that was faulty.
The whole legislature passing a "special" law instead of a "general" one was just bone-headedness. Like I also said above (surprise, I already defused your counter-arguments), I don't think it would have been possible for them to write a law whose intent was not a "special" law. No matter how "general" the wording, they had the port improvements, they had a ferry company they want to use them, so the intent was clear.
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Originally Posted by whtviper1
That is a huge stretch since the legislation for the Superferry was approved by the extremely dominant Senate and House controlled by the Democrats. Impeach them?
It was a rare display from both sides of the aisle agreeing on legislation.
I would also note that both house and Senate are also dominated by Oahu legislators--so that must've been more a factor than Dem-Repub.
For impeachment, I was referring to the first Supreme Court case where Lingle and her DOT director clearly broke a state law by not requiring the EIS before the harbor improvements. They both must've known this, and she was clearly getting political benefits out of it. Lots of back scratching--maybe even some Lomi Lomi--between her and ferry CEO Lehman. That Lehman was an ex-defense secretary and now deep--in cash--in the military-industrial complex, and the ferry was a prototype for ships he was hoping to sell to the Navy, that must've all just been a fortunate coincidence.
If you lived here - then you would know Aloha Stadium is still in use - and given it is 30+ years old just goes to show how successful the project was.
I would also note that both house and Senate are also dominated by Oahu legislators--so that must've been more a factor than Dem-Repub.
You seem pretty sore about that as if each island should have equal representation but it doesn't work like that in any state. Areas that have the most population have the most representation - the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. That is one of your tradeoffs when you move to an island of a out 66,000 people - your laws will be dictated to you. It is what it is.
If you lived here - then you would know Aloha Stadium is still in use - and given it is 30+ years old just goes to show how successful the project was.
Lets quote the rest of the post ok. Theres a design flaw in the materal used and foundations, now the government may have to demolish it or come up with almost $99 million to completely restore the stadium and an additional $115 million for ongoing maintenance and refurbishment over the next 20 years to extend its useful life plus anyone remember how many delays in building happened? There are other current and past projects that just says it all. Whtviper1 thats just one project. Ready to open your wallet?
Ho brah, if u no luna haole u no deaf ear kden killah.
You seem pretty sore about that as if each island should have equal representation but it doesn't work like that in any state. Areas that have the most population have the most representation - the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. That is one of your tradeoffs when you move to an island of a out 66,000 people - your laws will be dictated to you. It is what it is.
Now if we could get you to understand that concept mainland life would be so much more simpler huh?
Lets quote the rest of the post ok. Theres a design flaw in the materal used and foundations, now the government may have to demolish it
It is over 30 years old - time to demolish it anyway and get a new stadium to 2015 specifications. It doesn't matter if there was a design flaw - it has lasted over 30 years and still in use today.
It is over 30 years old - time to demolish it anyway and get a new stadium to 2015 specifications. It doesn't matter if there was a design flaw - it has lasted over 30 years and still in use today.
Very successful project.
Uhmm the fact that the only choice the government has today is to repair/upgrade it to the tune of almost $99 million to completely restore the stadium and an additional $115 million for ongoing maintenance and refurbishment over the next 20 years to extend its useful life or tear it down is not an success story. Need to remind you that Aloha stadium only cost aprox 30 million to build to begin with.
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