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You know what’s funny about this speculation? IF the infection rate proves to be sky high, lowering the death rate, it doesn’t change the outcome of the threat. Look at the outcome numbers in NYC, Italy, Spain, Michigan etc. This is very highly contagious and if higher rates of infection are realized it only increases the danger to the system and economy.
You know what’s funny about this speculation? IF the infection rate proves to be sky high, lowering the death rate, it doesn’t change the outcome of the threat. Look at the outcome numbers in NYC, Italy, Spain, Michigan etc. This is very highly contagious and if higher rates of infection are realized it only increases the danger to the system and economy.
Why would a higher rate of infection increase the danger to the system and economy?
No matter where any individual is in the world or their cultural background, limiting a persons liberty goes against human nature. Mankind does have an amazing ability to adapt to adversity, but there is a threshold for how long a individual will tolerate the lack of liberty.
Actually, the answer to this is probably "not necessarily in Hawaii". As a visitor, you won't notice it, but a huge portion of the population here is very much geared towards following the rules, whether they are actual written rules (i.e. laws) or social rules.
Following the social rules and being part of the group is more important to many people in Hawaii than any personal liberties. They don't even consider 'my liberty is being taken away', it is much more of 'I can stay inside and help my community'.
My neighbor, who works in the hotel industry and her son who works in the movie industry are both out of work at the moment. I've not asked, but I'm sure their depth of savings is about nil. However, he's been taking his kayak out fishing and bringing back quite a few fish. She's been doing more extensive gardening. Usually, they would just give folks fish and fruits, but we've giving them money for fish and fruits or giving them something else they need. We would just flat out give them things, but the giving back is a strong need in Hawaii so it's a delicate situation to give them more than they give us. If the 50% of folks who still have income can directly help the 50% who don't things will be better.
I don't think we are going to get back to the economic/employment/visitor levels we were at for quite some time. Folks everywhere will be paring off unnecessary expenses and choosing less expensive options and that will be for more than just the folks here in Hawaii. A 'Hawaiian vacation' is seen as and probably is a much more expensive option than driving to the state next door so visitor numbers will probably remain lower even after we start getting visitors again.
Lower visitor numbers would be good for the quality of life here, a lot of places in Hawaii are being loved to death. If Hawaii can use this downturn to increase the percentage of non-visitor industry money, that would be a good thing.
[quote=Nyfinestbxtf;57877828]It doesn’t matter where they will go. It’s what they will do. Mankind thirsts for liberty and when that is taken away, history has shown us man doesn’t take it so easily.
There is another option, quarantine the most vulnerable, not the entire populace. We shutdown entire populace’s based on a lack of evidence that resulted in massive social and financial consequences. What do you think would be the result if lockdowns lasted months, if not years?
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I think there's more varieties of mankind and it's attitudes than you may think. The 'give me liberty or give me death' attitude does seem more common to the north east portion of the United States than in other areas of the planet, though. But, just because it is more common there doesn't necessarily make it common across the globe.
Hawaii had sort of an experiment in that during sugar days which were from the late 1800's through most of the 1900's. The sugar plantations would import workers from different areas across the globe and they would skip whole areas since 'they wouldn't make good workers'. They did import a lot of workers from areas where they were deemed 'good workers' which for the sugar industry would be folks working in groups and paying attention to orders from the supervisors.
If it proves that once you've had the virus, you're safe from getting it again (there's been some numbers in China that have possibly suggested otherwise), then folks who have had it and survived could perhaps have some sort of identification and they could then take over the jobs that were out in the public.
It will be interesting to see what September looks like, but 'may you live in interesting times' is actually an old traditional curse.
It doesn’t matter where they will go. It’s what they will do. Mankind thirsts for liberty and when that is taken away, history has shown us man doesn’t take it so easily.
There is another option, quarantine the most vulnerable, not the entire populace. We shutdown entire populace’s based on a lack of evidence that resulted in massive social and financial consequences. What do you think would be the result if lockdowns lasted months, if not years?
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I think there's more varieties of mankind and it's attitudes than you may think. The 'give me liberty or give me death' attitude does seem more common to the north east portion of the United States than in other areas of the planet, though. But, just because it is more common there doesn't necessarily make it common across the globe.
Hawaii had sort of an experiment in that during sugar days which were from the late 1800's through most of the 1900's. The sugar plantations would import workers from different areas across the globe and they would skip whole areas since 'they wouldn't make good workers'. They did import a lot of workers from areas where they were deemed 'good workers' which for the sugar industry would be folks working in groups and paying attention to orders from the supervisors.
If it proves that once you've had the virus, you're safe from getting it again (there's been some numbers in China that have possibly suggested otherwise), then folks who have had it and survived could perhaps have some sort of identification and they could then take over the jobs that were out in the public.
It will be interesting to see what September looks like, but 'may you live in interesting times' is actually an old traditional curse.
That's what some were proposing to do at hospitals. They really need to improve on testing first though. Both for people that have the illness and those that have recovered from it.
You know what’s funny about this speculation? IF the infection rate proves to be sky high, lowering the death rate, it doesn’t change the outcome of the threat. Look at the outcome numbers in NYC, Italy, Spain, Michigan etc. This is very highly contagious and if higher rates of infection are realized it only increases the danger to the system and economy.
The complete collapse of the economy in Hawaii is happening right now, in real time. Any potential illness or death from the virus pales in comparison to the aftermath of a major long-term economic depression.
The complete collapse of the economy in Hawaii is happening right now, in real time. Any potential illness or death from the virus pales in comparison to the aftermath of a major long-term economic depression.
Pretty dramatic.
So, you think Hawaii can’t suffer uniquely from the illness, eh? Consider that Hawaii is as unique as cruise ships at sea ... only worse, because more (infected] “passengers” can keep arriving. If you heard there was an outbreak of the Corona virus on board a cruise ship - would you want to take a helicopter to the ship and join the cruise? The ship’s infirmary is full and worthless. The doctor aboard is sick. Sound inviting?
The economy of Hawaii is taking a huge, but temporary, hit. The basis for the hit is not a flaw of the economy. As I have pointed out before, this is an intentionally induced coma. The bases for resuming as before remain.
If you don’t bite the shut down bullet along with everyone else, you’ll go down in flames anyway.
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