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Old 04-16-2020, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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The numbers are researchable. Look for yourself.
The numbers are all over the place depending on who you choose to believe. No one with any medical credibility is saying that this virus is not more deadly than the "flu". Just because politicians or others with an axe to grind say it doesn't make it true.

Don't pretend this is an accepted fact. It isn't!
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Old 04-16-2020, 04:39 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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With no economy there is no healthcare system. Why turn this into something political?
I’m not turning this into something political. What I posted is what it is. Trump’s delusional personality has infected a considerable segment of the electorate who parrot the “reasoning” that you just posted. I have no idea if you are a Trump supporter, there are people who do not support Trump who hold the unreasoned same views ... it’s just highly common to Trump’s minions. Thing is: ideologies are poor excuses for lazy intellects. People who aren’t willing or capable of applying quality analysis to individual issues tend to just buy into an ideological platform.

That said: there’s an economy ... it’s been placed into an intentionally induced, protective coma in order to deal with a non-economically based attack. There’s no economic flaw at root of this challenge. Our economy isn’t collapsing because of an economic weakness.

There are dangers and costs to this everyone will have to bear and share. But the aggressive efforts of banks and creditors, mortgage lenders, businesses, and the government - to say nothing of how cooperative the majority of Americans have been with following the guidelines - is extraordinary. The recent Recession and the Great Depression saw little to none of this cooperative response: stimulus payments to everyone, non-penalized credit payment deferments, rate reductions, rent and mortgage deferments and eviction moratoriums, student loan payment deferments, tax deadlines extended ... on and on. Last time America saw this degree of cooperation was WWII, and somewhat also following 9/11. What followed the cooperation was strong economic recovery.

But most specifically, your claim that without an economy there is no healthcare is just silly as speculatively applied to this crisis. Everything including the kitchen sink is being thrown into supporting healthcare right now. Healthcare is king. Everyone associated with healthcare are lauded as heroes right now. Health is the ultimate equalizer: everyone is hostage to fear of health failures.
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Old 04-16-2020, 05:01 PM
 
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The numbers are all over the place depending on who you choose to believe. No one with any medical credibility is saying that this virus is not more deadly than the "flu". Just because politicians or others with an axe to grind say it doesn't make it true.

Don't pretend this is an accepted fact. It isn't!
So then we can agree no one knows the real numbers? Then without really knowing anything about this virus, should such drastic economic decisions be made that affect millions of people?

Here is something interesting. I know the source is a conservative source, but worth looking at. The study was conducted by The Economist. I don’t think there is a political leaning there.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...e-to-flus-0-1/
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Old 04-16-2020, 05:03 PM
 
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I’m not turning this into something political. What I posted is what it is. Trump’s delusional personality has infected a considerable segment of the electorate who parrot the “reasoning” that you just posted. I have no idea if you are a Trump supporter, there are people who do not support Trump who hold the unreasoned same views ... it’s just highly common to Trump’s minions. Thing is: ideologies are poor excuses for lazy intellects. People who aren’t willing or capable of applying quality analysis to individual issues tend to just buy into an ideological platform.

That said: there’s an economy ... it’s been placed into an intentionally induced, protective coma in order to deal with a non-economically based attack. There’s no economic flaw at root of this challenge. Our economy isn’t collapsing because of an economic weakness.

There are dangers and costs to this everyone will have to bear and share. But the aggressive efforts of banks and creditors, mortgage lenders, businesses, and the government - to say nothing of how cooperative the majority of Americans have been with following the guidelines - is extraordinary. The recent Recession and the Great Depression saw little to none of this cooperative response: stimulus payments to everyone, non-penalized credit payment deferments, rate reductions, rent and mortgage deferments and eviction moratoriums, student loan payment deferments, tax deadlines extended ... on and on. Last time America saw this degree of cooperation was WWII, and somewhat also following 9/11. What followed the cooperation was strong economic recovery.

But most specifically, your claim that without an economy there is no healthcare is just silly as speculatively applied to this crisis. Everything including the kitchen sink is being thrown into supporting healthcare right now. Healthcare is king. Everyone associated with healthcare are lauded as heroes right now. Health is the ultimate equalizer: everyone is hostage to fear of health failures.
I stopped reading your post at the second sentence. First sentence is you’re not turning this into anything political and your second sentence slams the president. I’m not getting into politics.
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Old 04-16-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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From your own article - this is why the country shut down

"Perhaps, though, New York’s hospitals are overflowing because the virus is so contagious that it has crammed the equivalent of a year’s worth of flu cases into one week.
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Old 04-16-2020, 05:13 PM
 
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From your own article - this is why the country shut down

"Perhaps, though, New York’s hospitals are overflowing because the virus is so contagious that it has crammed the equivalent of a year’s worth of flu cases into one week.
No one said the virus wasn’t very contagious.
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Old 04-16-2020, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I stopped reading your post at the second sentence. First sentence is you’re not turning this into anything political and your second sentence slams the president. I’m not getting into politics.
Yep
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Old 04-16-2020, 06:04 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I stopped reading your post at the second sentence. First sentence is you’re not turning this into anything political and your second sentence slams the president. I’m not getting into politics.
Of course you stopped reading by the second sentence. Fits the closed minded profile I described to a “T”. And you thus missed the surgically correct non-political analysis in the paragraphs that followed.

By the way, I’m not a Democrat ... nor socialist, communist, or any other “ist”. As I wrote: “ideologies are poor excuses for lazy intellects”.
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Old 04-16-2020, 06:30 PM
 
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Of course you stopped reading by the second sentence. Fits the closed minded profile I described to a “T”. And you thus missed the surgically correct non-political analysis in the paragraphs that followed.

By the way, I’m not a Democrat ... nor socialist, communist, or any other “ist”. As I wrote: “ideologies are poor excuses for lazy intellects”.
Has nothing to do about closed mindedness. Nice assumption. Your reply turned into something political which I don’t have time for and could care less to read. Take no offense. I have a political philosophy and form my opinions based on that. I don’t care what you have to say about the president. Good for you. Don’t vote for him.
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Old 04-16-2020, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Back on track - I'm not seeing any light at the end of tunnel on when the State will open back up - Im starting to sense fall at the very earliest

Unemployment now tops 37%

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...own-continues/
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