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Old 03-14-2022, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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.. Do you think a family that lives pay check to pay check care about CO2 emissions?

Yes, the do. Surveys show it world wide. Young people are the most concerned about this.
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Old 03-14-2022, 06:33 PM
 
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Yes, the do. Surveys show it world wide. Young people are the most concerned about this.
I promise you, a family who lives paycheck to paycheck struggling to put food on the table, heat their home, and pay the rent or mortgage could give two
[Mod cut: profanity] about CO2 emissions from burning of fossil fuels; especially when gas is $7 a gallon. Take that poll now.

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Old 03-14-2022, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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I promise you, a family who lives paycheck to paycheck struggling to put food on the table, heat their home, and pay the rent or mortgage could give two sh**s about CO2 emissions from burning of fossil fuels.
And I promise that most of them do!

Does this mean they will be going out to buy an EV? Of course not. Doesn't mean they don't care though.
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Old 03-14-2022, 06:52 PM
 
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And I promise that most of them do!

Does this mean they will be going out to buy an EV? Of course not. Doesn't mean they don't care though.
They won’t be going out trading in their 15 year old Honda for an EV is because most people can’t afford one,
Especially the middle and working class who make up majority of the nation.

Take that poll now when gas is $7,8,9 a gallon? Even on the best day when gas was less than $3 a gallon, ask any working class or middle class person with a family to support if they are more concerned with the price of fuel or carbon emissions affecting the planet? Go for it and let me know the results.
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Old 03-14-2022, 07:41 PM
 
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You've completely changed the question. First it was, are low income persons concerned about CO2 and climate change? Period.

Now it is: Are you more concerned about climate change or the current cost of gasoline?

Big difference.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...e-in-7-charts/
This is the question in its entirety: “Should there be a higher gas tax implemented? Will that help or hurt the middle class? Do you think a family that lives pay check to pay check care about CO2 emissions?”



It’s not period. The question is within the context of my posts on this thread. “Rich and wealthy people can afford to be concerned with carbon emissions rather than the cost of oil and gas no matter how expensive fuel becomes. Middle and working class don’t have such a luxury.” Carbon emissions is the concern of the elite, especially in the scope of the cost of fuel prices today. Others do not have such a luxury. People are beginning to panic, and they are just told to buy an electric car. Completely out of touch.
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Old 03-14-2022, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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This is the question in its entirety: “Should there be a higher gas tax implemented? Will that help or hurt the middle class? Do you think a family that lives pay check to pay check care about CO2 emissions?”



It’s not period. The question is within the context of my posts on this thread. “Rich and wealthy people can afford to be concerned with carbon emissions rather than the cost of oil and gas no matter how expensive fuel becomes. Middle and working class don’t have such a luxury.” Carbon emissions is the concern of the elite, especially in the scope of the cost of fuel prices today. Others do not have such a luxury. People are beginning to panic, and they are just told to buy an electric car. Completely out of touch.
That's three questions, so you changed the last one.

The answer to your last question, as stated above, is yes.

I don't find anything in your final paragraph that rings true.
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Old 03-15-2022, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Well, Soujouner, this is the Hawaii forum, we aren't particularly concerned with heating houses OR folks wandering across any borders. It's a pretty long swim just between the islands, can't do it from any official 'border'.



As far as the working folks go, they're absolutely concerned about electric costs, although rent is more of a concern than electric for most working folks. On Oahu, there's a lot of folks who don't even bother to keep a car, so they're not directly concerned about gas prices either. I've heard that a lot of the younger generation don't even bother to get a driver's license. At least, on Oahu. The other islands don't have decent enough public transport to allow folks to not have a car or at least friends with a car.
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Old 03-15-2022, 05:11 AM
 
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Well, Soujouner, this is the Hawaii forum, we aren't particularly concerned with heating houses OR folks wandering across any borders. It's a pretty long swim just between the islands, can't do it from any official 'border'.



As far as the working folks go, they're absolutely concerned about electric costs, although rent is more of a concern than electric for most working folks. On Oahu, there's a lot of folks who don't even bother to keep a car, so they're not directly concerned about gas prices either. I've heard that a lot of the younger generation don't even bother to get a driver's license. At least, on Oahu. The other islands don't have decent enough public transport to allow folks to not have a car or at least friends with a car.
And for Hawaii to have electricity, oil is required.
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Old 03-15-2022, 05:56 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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And for Hawaii to have electricity, oil is required.
Well, no. That’s been the quick and easy (and dirty) method of generation because: … it was quick and easy.

But Hawaii has plenty of emerging opportunity for cheaper, easier, cleaner energy now as new solar, wind (and wave) technology is becoming available at more and more reasonable costs.
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Old 03-15-2022, 07:22 AM
 
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Well, no. That’s been the quick and easy (and dirty) method of generation because: … it was quick and easy.

But Hawaii has plenty of emerging opportunity for cheaper, easier, cleaner energy now as new solar, wind (and wave) technology is becoming available at more and more reasonable costs.
Right, but as we speak, Hawaii is predominantly powered by fossil fuels. Clean energy isn’t even close to being a viable option any time soon. Honestly, not sure how many people want wind farms obstructing the Hawaii landscape and there is definitely no one who wants one in their backyard.
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