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Old 03-15-2022, 08:19 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Right, but as we speak, Hawaii is predominantly powered by fossil fuels. Clean energy isn’t even close to being a viable option any time soon. Honestly, not sure how many people want wind farms obstructing the Hawaii landscape and there is definitely no one who wants one in their backyard.
Wind farms in backyards aren’t necessary to achieve independence from fossil fuel electricity. As mentioned previously, solar is highly viable in this state. Wind is also a very viable option in select settings.

To say nothing of ocean power:
Tapping into Ocean Power
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/20...o-ocean-power/
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Old 03-15-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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Wind farms in backyards aren’t necessary to achieve independence from fossil fuel electricity. As mentioned previously, solar is highly viable in this state. Wind is also a very viable option in select settings.

To say nothing of ocean power:
Tapping into Ocean Power
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/20...o-ocean-power/
I’m all for other sources of energy. I’m not arguing against such technology. Right now, these renewable sources of energy are just not viable to be the main engine of out power supply any time soon. I wish it were. But say we can run most of everything without fossil fuels, where are we going to find all the nickel that’s required for these batteries and how do we dispose of these batteries that have toxins inside?
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Old 03-15-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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I’m all for other sources of energy. I’m not arguing against such technology. Right now, these renewable sources of energy are just not viable to be the main engine of out power supply any time soon. I wish it were. But say we can run most of everything without fossil fuels, where are we going to find all the nickel that’s required for these batteries and how do we dispose of these batteries that have toxins inside?
Anybody can well ask endless questions about anything … including about what [technologies and material resources] are being used now.
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Old 03-15-2022, 10:29 AM
 
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Anybody can well ask endless questions about anything … including about what [technologies and material resources] are being used now.
I’m just pointing out the reality that we are no where near capable of providing sun, wind, and water energy that can come close to matching that of fossil fuels. We may never. Energy runs through everything you can possibly imagine from food, toys, packaging, fertilizer, clothing, and whatever you can’t think of. Fossil fuels is in every corner of our economy and society. How well did wind work out in Texas?

These aren’t endless questions, these are just a couple questions off the top of my head that ideologues do not think of because they are incapable of formulating such questions because they are driving by an ideology rather than reality. So yes, nickel is a limited supply which we are already seeing shortages of. How are we going to replace every ICE that is on the road with a battery engine that requires nickel we are running short on? Nickel is required to manufacture these batteries that store the energy we produce. So what happens when you run out of nickel? How do we mine nickel? Where is the majority of nickel located? Not the United States. How do you dispose of these batteries when they are no longer useful? You can’t remanufacture a battery, but a ICE you can. Most parts on a ICE can be recycled and remanufactured.
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Old 03-15-2022, 10:35 AM
 
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I’m just pointing out the reality that we are no where near capable of providing sun, wind, and water energy that can come close to matching that of fossil fuels. We may never. Energy runs through everything you can possibly imagine from food, toys, packaging, fertilizer, clothing, and whatever you can’t think of. Fossil fuels is in every corner of our economy and society. How well did wind work out in Texas?

These aren’t endless questions, these are just a couple questions off the top of my head that ideologues do not think of because they are incapable of formulating such questions because they are driving by an ideology rather than reality. So yes, nickel is a limited supply which we are already seeing shortages of. How are we going to replace every ICE that is on the road with a battery engine that requires nickel we are running short on? Nickel is required to manufacture these batteries that store the energy we produce. So what happens when you run out of nickel? How do we mine nickel? Where is the majority of nickel located? Not the United States. How do you dispose of these batteries when they are no longer useful? You can’t remanufacture a battery, but a ICE you can. Most parts on a ICE can be recycled and remanufactured.
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Anybody can well ask endless questions about anything … including about what [technologies and material resources] are being used now.
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Old 03-15-2022, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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... How well did wind work out in Texas?
It's working out quite well. Texas leads the country with wind generation, I believe.

You mean during that cold snap awhile back?

"..The Texas Tribune reported Tuesday that an ERCOT official said that about 16 gigawatts of renewable energy generation had gone offline, compared with about 30 gigawatts of thermal energy..."
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Old 03-15-2022, 10:48 AM
 
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I repeat:
Anybody can well ask endless questions about anything … including about what [technologies and material resources] are being used now.
And I repeat, these questions require answers if we are going to be practical.
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Old 03-15-2022, 11:17 AM
 
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And I repeat, these questions require answers if we are going to be practical.
Lol? And you, anonymous internet social media maven Soujourner are just the expert leadership we minions have needed and been awaiting to lead us from the darkness! …. What better forum for change than this!

I suggest you recruit a focus group of expertise similar to yours from the CD Hawaii forum pool a.s.a.p.

Let’s get this done!
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Old 03-15-2022, 11:20 AM
 
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It's working out quite well. Texas leads the country with wind generation, I believe.

You mean during that cold snap awhile back?

"..The Texas Tribune reported Tuesday that an ERCOT official said that about 16 gigawatts of renewable energy generation had gone offline, compared with about 30 gigawatts of thermal energy..."
Texas Wind power in fact hasn’t been performing all that well and sure didn’t bail them out when needed the most. Wind power isn’t the solution for renewable energy and most people hate the sight and sound of those massive structures that kills countless birds.
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Old 03-15-2022, 11:44 AM
 
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Lol? And you, anonymous internet social media maven Soujourner are just the expert leadership we minions have needed and been awaiting to lead us from the darkness! …. What better forum for change than this!

I suggest you recruit a focus group of expertise similar to yours from the CD Hawaii forum pool a.s.a.p.

Let’s get this done!
Lmao. That’s not how this works. This is an open forum with the free exchange of facts, ideas, and opinions. I’ve not claimed to be an expert in energy, but it only requires a sentient being to know, without fossil fuels, the world as we know it shuts down. Worshiping the sun, wind, and ocean gods isn’t going to save the day. .

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