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Old 06-26-2010, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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You know, one thing that really bugs me is that it's perfectly OK for everyone else to have their "culture," express themselves, enjoy their own ethnic foods, be proud of who they are - except us 'haoles'. Well, I am a haole mutt (mixed european heritage, lived most of my life on the east coast of the US mainland, steeped in mostly-white, suburban culture), and I am not shy about saying so. Sure, I love exploring other cultures, arts, foods, etc., but that doesn't mean that I can't also enjoy dressing in polo shirts and khaki shorts, eating such haole delicacies as deviled eggs, mac&cheese, and hot dogs, and listening to 'classic rock'.

No, I'm NOT going to insist that you "fit in" to my culture or do things "my way" - but please don't INSIST that I wear a muumuu or sarong (or that my mother wear slippahs, when she prefers her dorky little white socks and weird loafers), switch from Jimmy Dean to Spam or Portugee, stop enjoying a good navel orange imported from wherever just as much as a rambutan, or adore ukulele music (hey, did you know the ukulele came from a Portuguese instrument called a "Machett"? Not sure I'm spelling that right). Or look down on me for sticking to a few vestiges of MY native culture.

Let's just share and have fun with our differences, K?
Yuppers, we need a good Ha'oli Haole Holiday of some sort. We can have a classic Mid-West American picnic and barbecue something in the park. Or some sort of Pizzafest or something?
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:35 AM
 
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We recently moved our family to Hawaii. Collectively, we have lived in another country, on the mainland in the midwest, in the northeast, in the southeast, in the greater southwest and in south Florida. This includes living in the south side of Chicago, in NY City, in Miami, in suburban Atlanta and in north Texas. We also speak 2 other languages other than English. Basically, we're part of the melting pot. So far, we have found the people of Hawaii to be a mix of arrogant ignorance. One of the strange things kids ask one another here is "What are you?" I have never heard that statement by kids before in my life! I think the reason for that is the political climate that is here with the Kau Inoa, etc. etc. How stupid is that thing? I say Hawaiians melt already and get educated!

Signed,

Impressed by the beauty of the land but not by its people.
Our family has experienced the "what are you" on the mainland and not by kids. Many adults asked this question and even worse some after hearing the answer would no longer talk to us. In other words, they are racist. It's one thing for someone to ask as a way to learn more about you and maybe find something in common. Many people here are part this and part that, so it's common to share what you are when getting to know someone. But, that's very different than what we experienced on the mainland, which was hate.
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Old 07-20-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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I haven't yet been to Hawai'i. Moving there for school 3 weeks from today, but here's my two cents anyway:

1. I'm surprised at the amount of people who claim to have never heard the "what are you" question before Hawai'i. That's one of the first questions I've been asked my whole life. I'm often asked it by adults too. I've lived in Nevada, New Mexico, and Florida (and Japan..). I'm mixed so I think people are obsessed with trying to place me but are never quite able too. As my friends joke, I can pass for most any race...(maybe not so much Black.. )

2. It seems that a lot of people who are complaining about racism are white and just are probably not used to being judged in a negative matter based on their skin tone. That doesn't mean that I think it's right, but I feel that most others have developed a bit of a thicker skin to that sort of thing. Haole seems to me to be a term like "gaijin," "guerro," or "gringo" - it's more about the attitude behind it that would make it a derogatory term, in and of itself it isn't a "bad word." I know I call my boyfriend "guerro" all the time and don't mean it in a bad way, though I've heard it used in a not so nice way before. I'm really excited about experiencing the markedly different culture of Hawaii. My tall, blonde, blue eyed boyfriend is equally excited. We come from a minority majority state already (New Mexico) so no concerns about that. I'm particularly excited to learn about the Native Hawaiian culture (since I don't know much about it) and to be around so much Japanese influence (to remind me of Japan which I miss a ton)!

A good attitude goes a long way.
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Old 12-03-2010, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Just wanted to chime in on a post that started almost two years ago... but because I think its important. So kuddos to Maui08 for starting it.

I have to agree on most every point that Maui08 had to make originally here.

But to add slightly, on everything being more expensive... yes. Of course. However, there are different ways of looking at this.

First of all, I've lived in Honolulu for about five years... the rest of my 45 years in the South. So I've 'done' both places. And yes, pretty much everything costs more. But in some ways you spend less. For example, depending on where you are from on the mainland and where your job is, you are most likely going to spend way more on gas for your vehicle on the mainland, compared to the island. Where we live in Honolulu, my Monday through Friday routine RARELY makes me drive any further than 15 minutes one way. On the mainland, if we just went out to eat we could easily drive 45 minutes one way. I usually spend around $25 a week on gas in Honolulu. On the mainland, I easily spend $60 to $70 per week. Easily. So it costs more, but I spend less.

Utilities... costs more but I spend less. How? We hardly ever run the air conditioner and obviously never run the heater (I've hardly ever seen a house in Hawaii with a built-in heater). I have friends on the mainland that will spend several hundred dollars a month on fuel oil costs for their heaters. We don't spend a dime. If its 59 degrees outside (it'll reach there every once in a while), throw an extra blanket on the bed and snuggle with your wife. Wear socks around the house. Put on sweat pants instead of shorts. That's the routine.

So in some ways, its how you look at it. But yes, overall... it costs more.

Hope this helps.

David
AlohaHowdy
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Clinton Hill, Brooklyn
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Yes, you can shop the farmers market's for some things but this is not going to save you. I see so many folks on here preaching these markets but unless you're a rabbit you're still going to have to shop at real grocery stores.
Maybe I am the only person who reads this as a positive? My diet consists of fruit, veggies, beans, rice, and nuts. If you're saying a person can get good prices on produce at farmers markets in HI, I think I will be ok.

Can anyone tell me what the cost is for a can of beans in HI? I think I will switch to buying dried beans in bulk once I get out there, but I'm just curious.
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Old 12-05-2010, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Big Island- Hawaii, AK, WA where the whales are!
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UHGrade you finally summed it up into what I think... kina.
Yes there is racism in Hawaii I argue with the stupid post. But yes. And it is getting allot better. Kids growing with internet?
However... not a but... if you want to live in Hawaii is embracing what is here including melting pot of culter and Hawaiian life style in a way (rolling eyes with that comment).
I love Hawaii. I accept it as it is expect when it comes to dumping dogs or garbarge in your face!!!!! dont care if ya pissed at me comming after you!

sigh really stupid things in Hawaii and really incredible things in Hawaii. If you can't fit into the culter like my mother wanting a resort... go get on a cruise ship. My (real) Uncle bought house without going in it soon as they landed on property it was it.

I don't know how anyone can not research the area they are thinking of as in history etc. I have still feel insagnifitcant. I want to know where to walk where to chant where to give thanks. Do I agree things should go back to old ways of females eating seperate,, eating only dog meat, eat a banana you die, you walk in shadow of ali'i your killed no. But bring back what was taken of good communtity, ohana, love, wont go into fishing, love respect acceptance which is what I hope everyone want to bring back. And I have been really lucky all I have been shown.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:27 AM
 
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Maybe I am the only person who reads this as a positive? My diet consists of fruit, veggies, beans, rice, and nuts. If you're saying a person can get good prices on produce at farmers markets in HI, I think I will be ok.

Can anyone tell me what the cost is for a can of beans in HI? I think I will switch to buying dried beans in bulk once I get out there, but I'm just curious.
On the east side of the Big Island I'm paying around 80 cents at Walmart and about 1.30 at KTA for black beans, kidney beans, and small red chili beans. A 20 pound bag of brown rice is about $10 when on sale, closer to $15 when it isn't. A bag of whole wheat flour is about $4 (I make all my own bread to save $). Nuts are expensive. The good kind that's roasted with no added oils will run between $4 (for cashews) to around $6 for mixed nuts or almonds for a medium sized bag (maybe 14 ounces--not sure, doing this by memory). At the grocery store bananas are 99 cents/pound when on sale, when not on sale $1.19 or $1.29. A small bunch of green onions is $2, a bag of organic baby carrots is $4.

If you don't eat a lot of processed, packaged foods then you won't spend that much on groceries. We have a large rice cooker and make a big batch of brown rice that lasts all week for very little. A 20 pound bag lasts a long time. I bake about 4 loaves of wheat bread per week. Two for me and my husband and two for my grown daughters who live close by. The cost per loaf is about $2 and the bread is much better than the so-called whole grain bread at the grocery store which costs between $5 and $6 a loaf.

If you eat Tofu, where we live you can buy the ends at the tofu factory. They cut them off and sell them for really cheap compared to what you pay in the store. You can get about 3 pounds for under $5.

There are lots of ways to eat well for less especially if you eat whole foods.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Clinton Hill, Brooklyn
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Wow, thanks Isabella! Awesome info. Sounds like beans are about the same price as here in NYC. I will have to compare the prices you provided for bulk rice with what's at the grocery store, as we don't currently buy rice in bulk, but we have been talking about it for a while. Do you ever see organic rice in bulk?

Nuts seem to be expensive anywhere you go. I like the raw, unsalted variety. Maybe I could start or join a food co-op to try to import them and other stuff cheaper. Even if not, we'll figure out a way to make it work. Maybe eat less nuts, more rice and beans.

Do you use a bread machine? I've never made bread before. My mother in law makes it with a machine and I agree, it's much tastier (and healthier!) than the store bought stuff.
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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A lot of folks use Azure Standard to bring in bulk foods. Depending on where on which island, there may be a co-op group near you. Otherwise, Costco has bulk pinto beans pretty inexpensively. Although it's been awhile since I've looked, the price has probably changed. Beans are easy to grow, though.

I've found a KitchenAid mixer (or any stand mixer with a dough hook) to be real easy to make bread with. There are loads of cookery books at the library, too. When making bread, buy the yeast in those big one or two pound bulk packs instead of the silly little packets and you'll save a lot of $$. Costco has bread flour and bulk yeast packages. KTA has the bulk yeast, but their flour prices are a bit high unless they have a sale.
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Old 12-05-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Clinton Hill, Brooklyn
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Thanks hotcatz. I have read some of your posts in other threads and I like what you have to say about living simply and being smart about money. I emailed Azure Standard to see if they have any drop points on Kauai (we hope to move to the north shore).

I noticed your location is listed as Moku Nui. Is that just a translation of "Big Island," or is it the name of a town?
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