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Old 03-29-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Not trying to start an argument here, but this Hawaii vs "mainland" line of questioning has to stop. It does not provide any useful information. Please post a locality which you are relocating from so that people can offer solid advice.

Cost of living: According to bankrate.com's cost of living calculator, you would have to make ____% more in honolulu to maintain the equivalent standard of living when compared to these localities (Most of this is housing cost however, so it is best to actually look at the calculator and see what works for you. If you don't ever want to own a home in Honolulu, these numbers do not apply):

25% Boston/Quincy, Massachusetts
45% Chicago, IL
49% Miami, FL
16% Los Angeles, CA
25% San Diego, CA
0.5% San Francisco, CA
4% San Jose, CA
86% Topeka, KS
65% Raleigh, NC
50% Virginia Beach, VA
78% Dallas, TX

Cost of Living comparison calculator

As you can see, the term "mainland" really isn't very useful. If you are moving from San Francisco, things will pretty much cost you the same. If you are moving from Topeka... get ready to spend a whole lot more on rent and food every month!

Climate: Honolulu has a year-round warm climate with temperatures ranging from mid-upper 80's in the summer to high 70's/low 80's in the winter for daytime highs. The mountains can have some affect on the microclimate where you live and it can be slightly warmer and drier (Leeward Side) or cooler but muggier (windward side), and cooler with elevation. Do not let people tell you that Honolulu does not get hot because of the trade winds, they are lying... you try walking from the Blaidsdale Center parking to your job downtown in the afternoon sun and see if you don't sweat your ass off! LOL

That being said, overall, Honolulu has a very pleasant climate for human beings. If you stay out of the sun, it is comfortable most days. And it is almost always beautiful at night and perfect for hitting the beach. Perhaps the most appealing factor about the climate in Honolulu (and Hawaii in general) is the small variation in both daily and annual temperatures. People used to 4 seasons may find this annoying, but most seem to like it after they have been there a while. It also doesn't rain that often on the leeward sides of the mountains... passing trade showers in the valley usually only last a few minutes and are usually preceded by a rainbow. Exceptions are the winter season, where occasional cold fronts and kona storms can produce HEAVY rain for days on end. Anyone who doesn't believe me look at 2005-2006 winter. Not to say this is normal, but it does happen.

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/pages/events/weeksrain/weeksrainsummary.php (broken link)

For comparison, here are the average temperatures for other cities across the U.S.A. More detailed data is available from citydata (humidity, rainfall, winds, etc...).

Honolulu
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha4723.png (broken link)

Miami
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha3704.png (broken link)

San Diego
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha2446.png (broken link)

San Francisco
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha2450.png (broken link)

Dallas
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha21015.png (broken link)

Virginia Beach
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha22862.png (broken link)

Chicago
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha5242.png (broken link)

Boston
https://pics2.city-data.com/w1/lha9794.png (broken link)



Diversity: According to Time magazine Sacramento, CA is America's most diverse city (not Honolulu):

Welcome to America's Most Diverse City - TIME

According to citydata, the following cities break down like this:

Honolulu


Miami


San Francisco


NYC


San Diego


Virginia Beach


Portland


Dallas


Bismark


Once again, the term "mainland" is relatively useless. It really depends where you are coming from and what you are looking for. Honolulu is a very diverse place, but so are most of the major cities in the United States. It's all about how you want to sub-classify people. Someone coming from Bismark, ND may be shocked to see all of the asians in Hawaii, someone from San Francisco will probably not be.

Furthermore, Hispanics can include Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Mexicans, Dominicans, Argentineans, etc... which have blood from native americans, europeans, and africans all mixed in them as well. So anyplace you see hispanic, it most likely means that a lot of them are really mixed race.

Sorry to get all worked up about this but it drives me nuts. The "mainland" is not some homogeneous place that is cold and full of haoles. Every city and region has its differences. We want to help, but asking "how do schools compare to the mainland" or "how do costs compare to the mainland?" doesn't really give people much to go on.

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Old 03-29-2010, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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I agree that using cost of living comparisons that are based upon home purchase costs are worthless to the average person moving to the islands. Oahu's extremely high housing costs skew the numbers for the rest of the islands upward. The Big Island's huge areas of quite reasonable housing costs comparatively skew Oahu's true costs, downward.

Employment numbers are skewed in the same fashion. Oahu makes it look much better than it really is, on the other islands.

The average person posting on here and inquiring about Oahu, is quite young, has almost no money, is looking for a couple of part-time minimum wage jobs and looking to rent, with a roommate or two or three. Sure, there is an occasional exception.

The demographic changes when people post about moving to other islands. The person tends to be middle-aged or close to retirement, is transferring jobs, already has a career, works from home or is living off of investments, etc.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:18 PM
 
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Nice post UHgrad, really useful information.
Can't rep you 'cause I've already done it so often.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mdand3boys View Post
I agree that using cost of living comparisons that are based upon home purchase costs are worthless to the average person moving to the islands. Oahu's extremely high housing costs skew the numbers for the rest of the islands upward. The Big Island's huge areas of quite reasonable housing costs comparatively skew Oahu's true costs, downward.

Employment numbers are skewed in the same fashion. Oahu makes it look much better than it really is, on the other islands.

The average person posting on here and inquiring about Oahu, is quite young, has almost no money, is looking for a couple of part-time minimum wage jobs and looking to rent, with a roommate or two or three. Sure, there is an occasional exception.

The demographic changes when people post about moving to other islands. The person tends to be middle-aged or close to retirement, is transferring jobs, already has a career, works from home or is living off of investments, etc.
No doubt, Im just saying that details help. I have a hard time understanding what mainland means. Maybe it's because my parents are military and I lived all over.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Big Island
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Probably just became a habit that is worth breaking.We live on The Big Island and will be moving to Oahu (somewhere) in a couple of years. We lived in other places such as Carolina's,Florida,Calif,New York and Arizona. Each state had its plus and minuses ,there is not one place that is perfect. Paradise is in your heart and your mindset ,does not mean we all share same beliefs.We all have opinions that could be based on past experiences,expectations ,knowledge and rumor.

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Old 03-30-2010, 06:03 PM
 
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Wow, I love all those pie charts!! Thanks !
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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Default minimum wage

Minimum wage

Hawaii----7.25
San Francisco------10.55

thats a big difference in pay especially when a lot of retail stores pay there supervisor a dollar to two over Minimum wage.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Minimum wage

Hawaii----7.25
San Francisco------10.55

thats a big difference in pay especially when a lot of retail stores pay there supervisor a dollar to two over Minimum wage.
And the factor that is MUCH harder to calculate, is that so many of the minimum wage jobs in Hawai'i are limited to not more than 20 hrs/week, because the employer has to provide health insurance for work over 20 hrs. That's why so many people in Hawai'i have two part-time jobs, rather than one full time job.

Or three.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:17 PM
 
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM,,,,,,,,,,, pie.

uuuurrrrpppp,,,,, aloha
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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Hawaii has many charming local customs not seen in other parts of the world. For example, emptying out your car's ashtray onto the street while waiting at a stoplight is something I never saw until I moved to Honolulu.
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