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Old 10-13-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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I heard stories of families who had the same insurance for a long time and suddenly were tossed off.

I can understand your premiums going up, but why are some people totally thrown off??
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Old 10-13-2013, 12:50 PM
 
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I heard stories of families who had the same insurance for a long time and suddenly were tossed off.

I can understand your premiums going up, but why are some people totally thrown off??
because a lot of those plans were no longer compliant and they have to discontinue the plan....
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:14 AM
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They could have addressed the inadequacies of the existing plan, but in the cases the OP alluded to evidently the insurance company decided not to. It is their right as a for-profit business to discontinue offerings if the costs of providing it wouldn't be justified by the revenues it would bring in.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:32 AM
 
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They could have addressed the inadequacies of the existing plan, but in the cases the OP alluded to evidently the insurance company decided not to. It is their right as a for-profit business to discontinue offerings if the costs of providing it wouldn't be justified by the revenues it would bring in.
They did, by offering different plans...
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:00 AM
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I think folks can make a good case that that wasn't "the same insurance". I suppose it is a matter of semantics: Either the insurance companies did offer "the same insurance" that now included Essential Benefits, and those families the OP mentioned decided not to purchase them; or the insurance companies decided not to offer "the same insurance" and instead offered different plans.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:11 AM
 
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I think folks can make a good case that that wasn't "the same insurance". I suppose it is a matter of semantics: Either the insurance companies did offer "the same insurance" that now included Essential Benefits, and those families the OP mentioned decided not to purchase them; or the insurance companies decided not to offer "the same insurance" and instead offered different plans.
It's not semantics, it's insurance laws, especially when you are dealing with individual plans. They can't make substantial changes to existing plans and since the law requires substantial changes, they have to drop those plans and write new ones that meet the new guidelines. Also, it's not new for companies to stop offering certain plans. That happens almost yearly. It's just newsworthy now.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:40 PM
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They can't make substantial changes to existing plans
I'm curious: Of course they cannot make substantial changes to existing policies, but what exactly prevents making substantial changes to existing plans?
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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I'm curious: Of course they cannot make substantial changes to existing policies, but what exactly prevents making substantial changes to existing plans?
same thing...plan is for groups, policies are for individuals. The difference being that your employer decides what is covered and what is not, not the insurance company. With an individual plan they are usually pre-set plans that you pick from..still selecting the coverage but not really being able to customize the plan. Companies can customize their plans. Each plan year is a new contract, thus a new plan.
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:15 AM
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same thing...
No. Not the same thing. So it really was a matter of semantics.

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plan is for groups, policies are for individuals.
Not according to any standard word use I've seen published. As the words are typically used and as it applies in the comments I've posted: Plans are offerings of policies - there are plans for groups and plans for individuals; policies are applicable for specific individuals or groups for a specific period of time.

As such, going back to the topic of this thread, people being "thrown off their existing care", no insurance companies were forced to cancel policies. And nothing prevents an insurance company from changing a plan to comply with the requirements. Again, as the words are typically used.
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:31 AM
 
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No. Not the same thing. So it really was a matter of semantics.

Not according to any standard word use I've seen published. As the words are typically used and as it applies in the comments I've posted: Plans are offerings of policies - there are plans for groups and plans for individuals; policies are applicable for specific individuals or groups for a specific period of time.

As such, going back to the topic of this thread, people being "thrown off their existing care", no insurance companies were forced to cancel policies. And nothing prevents an insurance company from changing a plan to comply with the requirements. Again, as the words are typically used.
yes, companies were forced to cancel policies because they no longer complied with insurance laws (ACA). It happens all the time in the insurance world...sorry if you don't understand that.
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