Chronic neck, shoulder, shoulder blade pain.Please help! (Prozac, MRI, x-rays)

[Zizitop007]

Hello,
I am from a small country in Europe, so in advance I apologize for my English , because it is not my native language and its kinda difficult to describe all the symptoms especially where medical terms are involved, but I will try my best. My pain story began when I was 17 years old (about 6 years ago), I perfectly remember that day. It was my ballroom practice ( I was dancing about 10years at that time) and I felt a strange fatigue, dizziness. Ok, I thought the dancing practice is to blame for this, maybe I am overtired or something…
So I quitted the practice early that day and went home to rest. Next day I woke up, I was feeling the same (fatigue, dizziness, weakness). “ What’s wrong with me?”. I couldn’t figure it out. After being in this condition for a week, I made a decision to visit the doctor. So I described all the features and she made some basic tests. After doing that she mentioned that I have a low blood pressure and she sent me to do a pack of tests: heart, blood, thyroid, eyes, neurologist and they didn’t find anything. So the only thing I was suggested is to take some vitamins (C, B) and neurorubin. I didn’t feel any relieve from that going to the doctors half a year and nothing came out. Most of them sad that this is happening because I am still growing and the muscles or the bones have to adjust to my height ( by the way I am 192cm, in other dimension I think it would be 6.3’, correct me if I am wrong. So in the end I caling bad. I quitted my dance carrier, because I couldn’t bear the changes in my health. At school I had difficulties too: lack of concentration, memory loss, weakness, dizziness. But I couldn’t drop out, because it was my future. One day my uncle sad that this can be coming from my neck. So I went to my doctor and had an x-ray.
They sad it showed nothing. But my uncle requested that I should go to a manual therapy specialist( I think it is the same as a chiropractor, I don’t really now . So I went to him and showed the x-ray. He spotted the changes in my spine and started working with me and guess what? It didn’t help I don’t really remember, but before him or after him, my arms started to “melt”( don’t know the English term for this, this is when blood is not reaching your arms) when I was sleeping and also began to feel an occipital pain (not really a sharp one, but the feeling is like your occiput is being pressured by some kinda press and the feeling never leaves me. So after no improvement my chiropractor advised me to do a magnetic resonance. I did it. The conclusion from my MR(C1-C7):
C2-C3, C3-C4 small degenerative changes, at the bottom surface of C3 5-6mm Schmorl knot, C5-C6 “disk is shroud”( I don’t know how to Wright correctly in English) , C4-C5, C6-C7 disks are less shroud. C3-C7 are rotated counter clockwise.
When my native doctors look at this conclusion they say that it is not a big deal . So after the years I had many procedures: physiotherapy, kinezitherapy, manual therapy, neck stretch with some kinda device, massage and many more and no result. I forgot to mention that I had done “ultrasonic (triplex) neck arteries test” and everything is ok.
I had Lyme disease when I was a child, but my mother spotted this in time and we went to the doctor who prescribed me antibiotics course. I took the course as I was supposed to Also I didn’t feel any changes( no headaches, no temperature rising, vomiting….nothing) I remembered that and I thought maybe this can be the cause of my problems?( maybe this still is…I am not 100%sure) I had my lime disease test a couple years ago and the company that did it sad it was positive and I went to a infection hospital, showed the test and they sad that the test only shows that I have antibodys from lime disease and this will stay for the rest of my life, but to completely be sure they made an offer to do an additional test. So they stabbed a syringe with a long needle into my lower back between to vertebras and pulled some liquid from that spot. After three days lying in bed the doctors sad that everything is ok. After 4 years going to the doctors I was completely upset with them and stopped going. I accepted the fact that they will not help me. I started to do sports a year go: running, swimming, walking( every time I went to my university by foot 8km), weight lifting. It helped in the matter that I had more energy, but every time I did sports I felt a bigger strain in my occipital, right shoulder. Witch lasted 1-2 days. I still had my previous pain (occipital pressure from dusk till dawn) which made it bigger. But after 1-2 days the pain returned to its previous position, if you can say that . After constantly working out I began to feel the pain not only In my occipital area but also in my right shoulder and right shoulder blade. I am done with sports a month ago. So not to expand my story too much I would like to describe my condition at the moment: weakness, strong occipital pain and fatigue from when I wake up till I go down, memory loss (~80%), lack of concentration, hand, palm, finger “melting” when I am a sleep, muscle twitching , right shoulder and right shoulder blade pain( this is not constant but the pain especially comes when I have to study, it is a terrible pain it feels that somebody is stabbing you in the shoulder blade with a knife and the shoulder just hurts it doesn’t feel like it is being stabbed, and the pain is kinda “traveling” sometimes it effects the shoulder blade, sometimes only the shoulder, and sometimes both. I had these symptoms before I started sports, but they were not so frequent and not so long term).
In addition I would like to mention a couple of my thoughts. Accidentally searching the web I found that teeth grinding can arouse neck and shoulder pane. I have heard a couple times from my grandmother when I was a child that I grid my teeth. I’m not sure if I’m still doing that. My dentist mentioned that my clench is too deep. I had my front tooth “glued” more then ten times, because when I was a little boy I fell into the pit and broke half of it and now periodically I have to change it (its been a year from last visit). About free months ago I had a terrible jaw pain. I fell on the ground and the pain lasted approximately 1 minute. The pain reminded me with a pain when you have “charley horse”. Also I remembered that all my right foot shoes are more curved to the left side, because when I walk I put my body weigt pressure more to the left side of my right foot. I told this to my neurologist, but he didn’t mention any changes. Maybe I should do some x-rays (jaw, pelvis) or something else, don’t really know. Waiting for your suggestions
So this is my pain story which is ruining my life I have to put a lot of effort to complete every day tasks. If anyone have suggestions what can I do, or you have to suffer from similar pain and you want to share your story, please right to dalinis@hotmail.com or post a reply on the forum. I will go to a acupuncture specialist soon. Hope it will help me….
Dalius

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

The conclusion from my MR(C1-C7):
C2-C3, C3-C4 small degenerative changes, at the bottom surface of C3 5-6mm Schmorl knot, C5-C6 “disk is shroud”( I don’t know how to Wright correctly in English) , C4-C5, C6-C7 disks are less shroud. C3-C7 are rotated counter clockwise.
When my native doctors look at this conclusion they say that it is not a big deal . So after the years I had many procedures: physiotherapy, kinezitherapy, manual therapy, neck stretch with some kinda device, massage and many more and no result.

For your neck, Can you make it to the United States to see a specialist?

I recommend Hae-Dong Jho, M.D., Ph.D. in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Jho Institute for Minimally Invasive Neurosurgery

Minimally Invasive Neurosurgery , Minimally Invasive Spine and Brain Surgery, Endoscopic Spine and Brain Surgery

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

So not to expand my story too much I would like to describe my condition at the moment: weakness, strong occipital pain and fatigue from when I wake up till I go down, memory loss (~80%), lack of concentration, hand, palm, finger “melting” when I am a sleep, muscle twitching , right shoulder and right shoulder blade pain

Is the muscle twitching isolated to the right shoulder and/or arm? Or is the muscle twitching anywhere on the body?

For the weakness, fatigue and memory loss, lack of concentration, and muscle twiching, I recommend being tested for a Vitamin B-12 deficiency, Iron Anemia. Also have your other mineral levels checked. But B-12 and Anemia can cause all of those symptoms.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

In addition I would like to mention a couple of my thoughts. Accidentally searching the web I found that teeth grinding can arouse neck and shoulder pane. I have heard a couple times from my grandmother when I was a child that I grid my teeth. I’m not sure if I’m still doing that. My dentist mentioned that my clench is too deep. I had my front tooth “glued” more then ten times, because when I was a little boy I fell into the pit and broke half of it and now periodically I have to change it (its been a year from last visit). About free months ago I had a terrible jaw pain. I fell on the ground and the pain lasted approximately 1 minute. The pain reminded me with a pain when you have “charley horse”. Also I remembered that all my right foot shoes are more curved to the left side, because when I walk I put my body weigt pressure more to the left side of my right foot. I told this to my neurologist, but he didn’t mention any changes. Maybe I should do some x-rays (jaw, pelvis) or something else, don’t really know. Waiting for your suggestions

Your jaw pain will go away when you stop grinding and clenching your teeth. You can train yourself to not do this anymore. Relax your jaw by resting the tip of your tongue slightly above the top of your top front teeth. You have to do this concsciously at first. Eventually it will be second nature. For grinding and clenching at night, you can buy a mouth guard.

In all honesty, it sounds like you might have anxiety. Grinding/clenching teeth, neck pain and shoulder pain can all be due to being tense----not relaxing your muscles because of anxiety. Treatment is usually physical therapy for the neck and back muscles, learning GOOD POSTURE, and any treatments for anxiety (mental healthy therapy and/or medications). I know this because my son had terrible neck pain and headaches for YEARS. Eventually, we figured out that it was tension due to anxiety.

What I'm saying is that you may have multiple problems. You clearly have a problem with your spine---the MRI results prove that. It's very possible that you have neurological damage due to a B-12 or Iron deficiency. And it sounds like you suffer from anxiety too. If I were you, I'd pursue those three things equally: consult a highly reputable neurosurgeon about your neck, have your B-12 and Iron levels checked, seek mental health treatment for anxiety, and see an orthopedic about possible physical therapy for contracted muscles in your back. And watch your posture becase bad posture can destroy some people by causing terrible pain.

[Zizitop007]

Originally Posted by Hopes

For your neck, Can you make it to the United States to see a specialist?

Many thanks for your reply . Unfortunately, i don't have the opportunity to do that

Originally Posted by Hopes

Is the muscle twitching isolated to the right shoulder and/or arm? Or is the muscle twitching anywhere on the body?

It is all over my body: biceps, shoulder, leg muscles and etc...

Originally Posted by Hopes

For the weakness, fatigue and memory loss, lack of concentration, and muscle twiching, I recommend being tested for a Vitamin B-12 deficiency, Iron Anemia. Also have your other mineral levels checked. But B-12 and Anemia can cause all of those symptoms.

I think i have done that, when it all started...at the moment not really sure, but i will go to the hospital and do that

Originally Posted by Hopes

Your jaw pain will go away when you stop grinding and clenching your teeth. You can train yourself to not do this anymore. Relax your jaw by resting the tip of your tongue slightly above the top of your top front teeth. You have to do this concsciously at first. Eventually it will be second nature. For grinding and clenching at night, you can buy a mouth guard.

I don't have a jaw pain. The pain was only once and lasted about one minute and as i sad it reminded me of a pain when you have "charley horse" ( don't really now if you understand what i am trying to say, my vocabulary is giving me four definitions: spasm, cramp, kink, charley horse. You usually get this pain in the leg when you are a asleep or you are swiming). I was thinking to get one of those mouth guards, but it is in my future plans. I told my neurologist about the grinding and 1 time jaw pain, and in his opinion the pain in my neck, shoulder and etc. is not caused by my jaw, other problems cause that and those other problems caused also the jaw pain.

Originally Posted by Hopes

In all honesty, it sounds like you might have anxiety. Grinding/clenching teeth, neck pain and shoulder pain can all be due to being tense----not relaxing your muscles because of anxiety. Treatment is usually physical therapy for the neck and back muscles, learning GOOD POSTURE, and any treatments for anxiety (mental healthy therapy and/or medications). I know this because my son had terrible neck pain and headaches for YEARS. Eventually, we figured out that it was tension due to anxiety.

I don't really understand the word anxiety ( are you trying to say that it is a mental condition, when you are worried about something?). I have been to physical therapy many times, if we are talking about the same thing. I had two procedures. First procedure when some liquid is poured on your upper body and with a ultrasound devise massaged for 5 minutes, it really helped me to relax my muscles, but the effect lasted less then 2 hours, afterwords all was the same. The second procedure is with a device based on interference waves (don't really know if i am saying this correctly). The feeling is like the device is made from many small balls packed in one place and the balls one by one pressure your upper body parts, mainly the shoulder blade, the ball pressure gives a stabbing deep pain. After this procedure i feel more pain (stabbing deep pain). And thats it! there are no procedures in my hospital that i can take Can you name the procedures yuor son took and describe them more?
Can you describe more about "mental healthy therapy"? don't have a clue about it? The medication i took recently: hotemin, brexin, diclac, sirdalud, gordius, dolmen and only diclac sometimes helped me, but the effect was short term Now i am taking natural medicine: Tanakan, triptan forte, triptan complex and use a gel " Histalgan", but these doesn't help me at all, using them more then a week. How did you find out that the cause of your sons problems was anxiety? Did he completely heal?

Originally Posted by Hopes

What I'm saying is that you may have multiple problems. You clearly have a problem with your spine---the MRI results prove that. It's very possible that you have neurological damage due to a B-12 or Iron deficiency. And it sounds like you suffer from anxiety too. If I were you, I'd pursue those three things equally: consult a highly reputable neurosurgeon about your neck, have your B-12 and Iron levels checked, seek mental health treatment for anxiety, and see an orthopedic about possible physical therapy for contracted muscles in your back. And watch your posture becase bad posture can destroy some people by causing terrible pain.

i have never went to a neurosurgeon, because major side of doctors say now one will do an operation with these kinda spine problems. They think they are too little. Don't you think i should do a new MRI? Maybe it is too old(5 years ago)? or a tomography of my spine? Because i think my spine progressed to a worse side By the way did your son have spine problems? or the problems were only in the muscles? I forgot to mention that i always have black dots in my vision, which are traveling various trajectories. I am very thankful for your suggestions. It is nice when somebody wants to help you Good look to you and your son. I hope we can stay in touch.

[Sgoldie]

Try a different chiropractor until you can get one who helps you. They aren't all the same. Does the one you go to use his hands or a metal tool for adjustments? They can also do hair analysis tests to see if you have a deficiency.

Stretching or yoga may help but I wouldn't put a strain on things by lifting weights. If an activity you're doing is causing pain don't do it. We have no knowledge of the medications you listed as they must be different here.

What the other poster was referring to as mental health is tensing up your body with fear or tightening up your muscles without being aware of it. Hope you feel better.

[Zizitop007]

Originally Posted by Sgoldie

Try a different chiropractor until you can get one who helps you. They aren't all the same. Does the one you go to use his hands or a metal tool for adjustments? They can also do hair analysis tests to see if you have a deficiency.

Stretching or yoga may help but I wouldn't put a strain on things by lifting weights. If an activity you're doing is causing pain don't do it. We have no knowledge of the medications you listed as they must be different here.

What the other poster was referring to as mental health is tensing up your body with fear or tightening up your muscles without being aware of it. Hope you feel better.

Hello,
many thanks for your reply. I have been to two different chiropractors. First one was in my hometown, many doctors recommended him as the best in town, but he didn't help Recently, i have been to a new one, he had also great recommendations. After four procedures i didn't feel any improvement He sad that neck vertebrae is adjusting easily and he has done 90% to restore as he called "vertebrae mechanics". Now the muscles just have to adjust to new vertebrae positions, but as i sad i didn't feel any changes and i stopped going to him.
i have tried stretching( many times, but it didn't help me at all, sometimes it even made it worse, especially recently I didn't try yoga, because i think it is very similar to stretching I still don't understand what mental health is. Sorry, for my stupidity Is it cured psychologically or you have to use any device? Maybe you can send me a video link of what you mean
I don't feel better. Occipital pressure/pain is killing me!(from the moment i wake up till i go down) If i could make a "list of my pains", definitely occipital pressure/pain would be in the first place, because at least to me it seems the main thing that blocks my memory, concentration, thinking, causes fatigue, weakness, dizziness. If i didn't have that pressure/pain, it wouldn't be a big deal to cope with other pains, because i have to study and put 3-4 times more the effort then an average student. I'm not talking when all the pains combine together (occipital pressure/pain, neck, shoulder, shoulder blade and etc). At that moment i can't do anything, study, be in my lectures, think, memorize something... Everything that involves brain work. Sometimes you feel so frustrated, because you want to do something in your lectures or be in them, but you feel that "bad feeling" and just don't have the energy to do that and you can't do anything about it It feels so sad....Sometimes i think have no future,
because the years pass and no improvement on my health noticed. Recently, it got worst. Whats next...? I'm even scared thinking about it...
Again thanks for your reply. Good luck to you

[Zizitop007]

Originally Posted by Sgoldie

Try a different chiropractor until you can get one who helps you. They aren't all the same. Does the one you go to use his hands or a metal tool for adjustments? They can also do hair analysis tests to see if you have a deficiency.

Stretching or yoga may help but I wouldn't put a strain on things by lifting weights. If an activity you're doing is causing pain don't do it. We have no knowledge of the medications you listed as they must be different here.

What the other poster was referring to as mental health is tensing up your body with fear or tightening up your muscles without being aware of it. Hope you feel better.

forgot to mention that chiropractors don't use any metal tools and don't do hair analysis. By the way i have never heard about hair analysis? Maybe, you can give a wider description on this? Is it only done by the chiropractor? Or any other specialist can do that? What deficiencies can be seen from that analysis?

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

Many thanks for your reply . Unfortunately, i don't have the opportunity to do that

That's okay. You can still find the best specialists in your own country or a country nearby.

What country do you live? What language do you speak? Knowing this might understand some of the things you are saying that don't translate to English well.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

It is all over my body: biceps, shoulder, leg muscles and etc...

That indicates to me that you might have a vitamin or mineral deficiency. Anxiety can also cause muscle twitching.

There are some neurological imbalances in the aunonamic system that can cause an array of physical symptoms. At this point, doctors are only starting to learn about these things and treating symptoms can be tricky because medication can improve one symptom but aggrevate another symptom. Learning to live with the symptoms is the key. Biofeedback therapy is helpful in learning how to control bodily functions that are usually controlled subconsciously. In other words (trying to help you understand in English), a biofeedback therapy can teach people how to regulate their own heart beat----for example.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I think i have done that, when it all started...at the moment not really sure, but i will go to the hospital and do that

I'd check Vitamin B-12, Iron and Vitamin D. If you can get them to check all of your minerals (magnesium, potassium, calcium) that would be great.

How is your diet? What do you eat? Do you eat a balanced diet of all food groups? Do you eat meat? Do you drink milk? Is your milk fortified with Vitamin D? Tell me everything you can about your diet. Don't be ashamed to admit if you have a terrible diet.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I don't have a jaw pain. The pain was only once and lasted about one minute and as i sad it reminded me of a pain when you have "charley horse" ( don't really now if you understand what i am trying to say, my vocabulary is giving me four definitions: spasm, cramp, kink, charley horse. You usually get this pain in the leg when you are a asleep or you are swiming).

Prior to my being diagnosed with deficiencies in B-12 and Vitamin D, I had the strangest symptoms all over my body----muscle spasms, charlie horses, muscle twitching. But I KNOW that grinding/clenching teeth is anxiety related. You could have done some damage in your jaw area that caused that one time 'charlie horse' pain. (Yes, we know what charlie horse means in the United States. )

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I was thinking to get one of those mouth guards, but it is in my future plans.

Definitely get it for sleeping. Also practice keeping your tongue at a resting position at the roof of your mouth when you are awake. That relaxes your jaw. If you want to learn more about paint associated with grinding/clenching teeth, google TMJ.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I told my neurologist about the grinding and 1 time jaw pain, and in his opinion the pain in my neck, shoulder and etc. is not caused by my jaw, other problems cause that and those other problems caused also the jaw pain.

I agree with your neurologist that not every symptom is related to the same cause. You have more than one thing wrong. And they are probably unrelated to one another.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I don't really understand the word anxiety ( are you trying to say that it is a mental condition, when you are worried about something?).

Yes. Anxiety is worry and stress. I strongly believe that you have anxiety and depression. These could have developed as a result of enduring physical pain or they could be the cause of your physical pain. Either way, treating anxiety and depression is important.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I have been to physical therapy many times, if we are talking about the same thing. I had two procedures. First procedure when some liquid is poured on your upper body and with a ultrasound devise massaged for 5 minutes, it really helped me to relax my muscles, but the effect lasted less then 2 hours, afterwords all was the same. The second procedure is with a device based on interference waves (don't really know if i am saying this correctly). The feeling is like the device is made from many small balls packed in one place and the balls one by one pressure your upper body parts, mainly the shoulder blade, the ball pressure gives a stabbing deep pain. After this procedure i feel more pain (stabbing deep pain). And thats it! there are no procedures in my hospital that i can take Can you name the procedures yuor son took and describe them more?

Did you do excersises? Stretching? The main goal is to stretch those back muscles because they are permanently tense. There is no permanent cure for people who have this problem. You stretch these back muscles every day and you'll feel a thousand times better with long lasting results, not just 2 hours of relief.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

Can you describe more about "mental healthy therapy"? don't have a clue about it?

Mental health therapy is with what I called "talking doctors" when my son was young. I hope that helps you understand with the language barrier. They are professionals who you go to to talk about your problems, and they teach you "thinking techniques" for helping you overcome fear, stress, depression, anxiety, etc. Sometimes they prescribe medication to help you in addition to the talking therapy (counseling, psychology, psychologist). Antidepressants are one type of medication group that is used. A common antidepressant is PROZAC. Not sure if you've heard of that one.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

The medication i took recently: hotemin, brexin, diclac, sirdalud, gordius, dolmen and only diclac sometimes helped me, but the effect was short term Now i am taking natural medicine: Tanakan, triptan forte, triptan complex and use a gel " Histalgan", but these doesn't help me at all, using them more then a week.

I don't know those medications because they aren't available in the United States or have a different name here. I'm assuming those medications are for pain management or relaxing muscles. The type of medication I'm talking about is to relax your thinking and improve your mood.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

How did you find out that the cause of your sons problems was anxiety? Did he completely heal?

By the time I was searching for the cause of his physical pain, I knew he had anxiety. I just didn't know he had anxiety when he was younger. I didn't know that anxiety caused his neck pain and headaches. Doctors didn't know that either. He had MRIs and CAT scans. He had many tests and had been to many specialists when he was younger---neurologists, etc. Once his anxiety got so bad that he wasn't able to attend school, I set off to find the cause of his physical pain while he was being treated by mental health professionals for anxiety. I even went to allergists. But the medical professional field that ultimately diagnosed the source of his pain was an orthopedic surgeon. Those are bone doctors. (I'm speaking simplistically to help you understand because I know doctors are called different things in other countries.) I would never go to a chiropractor, by the way. An orthopedic surgeon doesn't just do surgery or fix broken bones. They also are very knowledgeable about muscles and tendons and such. They often have physical therapy affiliated with their practices that aren't chiropractor physical therapy. Another way to find the right physical therapy other than a chiropractor is to look for sports medicine physical therapy practices if those are availabe in your area.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

i have never went to a neurosurgeon, because major side of doctors say now one will do an operation with these kinda spine problems. They think they are too little.

I wouldn't let other doctors decide what a neurosurgeon would say. I would see a neurosurgeon and let the neurosurgeon decide. btw, some orthopedic surgeons do surgery to the spine, but I WOULD NOT allow an orthopedic surgeon to do surgery to the spine. I feel orthopedic surgeons are great for other areas of the body, but a neurosurgeon is a specialist of the spine and the best for doing actual surgery on the spine. At the same time, a neurosurgeon will not be as gifted in the phsycial therapy aspects of the back muscles as an orthopedic surgeon would be. Therefore, I would see both a neurosurgeon and an orthopedic surgeon. I would see the neurosurgeon for an opinion if surgery is a good course of action. I would see an orthopedic surgeon for treatment of symptoms of pain in your back with physical therapy.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

Don't you think i should do a new MRI? Maybe it is too old(5 years ago)? or a tomography of my spine? Because i think my spine progressed to a worse side:

No. I think you should see the appropriate specialist (neurosurgeon and/or orthopedic surgeon). They will order the appropriate tests.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

( By the way did your son have spine problems? or the problems were only in the muscles?

He had bad posture and tense muscles. His spine was fine.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I forgot to mention that i always have black dots in my vision, which are traveling various trajectories.

That sounds like floaters and they are probably unrelated to everything else. They are very common. If they become bothersome, you should see an eye doctor. They aren't usually treated since treatments aren't successful, but you should see an eye doctor to rule out cateracts. In other words, you will be going to an eye doctor to verify that the black dots are floaters and nothing more serious wrong with your vision. You shouldn't expect the eye doctor to correct the floaters. They are something you simply learn to live with.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I am very thankful for your suggestions. It is nice when somebody wants to help you

Just want to forewarn you. Talk to specialists about symtpoms that are relevant to the specialist. If you go in with a list of symptoms, they might treat you like you're a hypocondriac. In other words, there's really no reason to mention the black dots in your vision to anyone else other than an eye doctor.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I didn't try yoga, because i think it is very similar to stretching

Yoga is great because it helps you stretch your body but it also helps you learn how to relax your muscles and your mind.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I still don't understand what mental health is. Sorry, for my stupidity Is it cured psychologically or you have to use any device? Maybe you can send me a video link of what you mean

Mental health professionals treat you psychologically.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

( It feels so sad....Sometimes i think have no future because the years pass and no improvement on my health noticed.

You are depressed and probably have anxiety too---since anxiety often presents with depression. It's common for people who suffer from long term pain to become depressed. You should find a psychologist for counseling, therapy, medication to help you with depression and anxiety. Depression and anxiety can interfere with memory, concentration and energy too.

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

forgot to mention that chiropractors don't use any metal tools and don't do hair analysis. By the way i have never heard about hair analysis? Maybe, you can give a wider description on this? Is it only done by the chiropractor? Or any other specialist can do that? What deficiencies can be seen from that analysis?

Don't worry about hair analysis. Just have a doctor do blood tests. People who do hair analysis aren't doctors. They do hair analysis because they don't have access to testing laboratories like medical doctors. Just stick with medical doctors at this time. You dont' need to do the natural route until you know what is wrong with you. Natural wont' diagnose you. Natural is best for treating symtpoms once you know what's wrong with you and normal medical treatments didnt' work.

[Zizitop007]

Originally Posted by Hopes

That's okay. You can still find the best specialists in your own country or a country nearby.

What country do you live? What language do you speak? Knowing this might understand some of the things you are saying that don't translate to English well.

I live in Lithuania. I speak Lithuanian.

Originally Posted by Hopes

I'd check Vitamin B-12, Iron and Vitamin D. If you can get them to check all of your minerals (magnesium, potassium, calcium) that would be great.

Definitely will do that. Writing on a sheet of paper not to forget

Originally Posted by Hopes

How is your diet? What do you eat? Do you eat a balanced diet of all food groups? Do you eat meat? Do you drink milk? Is your milk fortified with Vitamin D? Tell me everything you can about your diet. Don't be ashamed to admit if you have a terrible diet.

I was on a balanced diet 1-2 years, don't exactly remember when i started. No salt, sugar, oil and many other things related to balanced diet. I'm not overweight. Aprox 6.3' and 203 pounds. But as my neck related problems got worse, i fell in frustration and began to eat everything i don't think we have milk with fortified vitamin D in our stores, maybe i didn't mention it, anyway if there is i will buy it

Originally Posted by Hopes

I agree with your neurologist that not every symptom is related to the same cause. You have more than one thing wrong. And they are probably unrelated to one another.

No, oppositely he is saying that the same symptoms that cause neck. shoulder and etc. pain, caused the jaw pain too.

Originally Posted by Hopes

Yes. Anxiety is worry and stress. I strongly believe that you have anxiety and depression. These could have developed as a result of enduring physical pain or they could be the cause of your physical pain. Either way, treating anxiety and depression is important.

I agree that i have anxiety, but i don't think it is the primary cause of my problems, in other words i'm saying it is not "the foundation of a structure"
i would compare it with an expression "windows of a structure". I always get anxiety when my pain gets worse, i am not anxious all the time, when my pain stays at the same level. By the way i think it is a naturall feeling, because who doesn't get anxious when they feel pain, they start logically thinking " whats wrong with me?" i doubt that there are people that get pain and feel "psichologically free" and not worried.
I don't want to admit but these two months i have depression, because i started to cry day by day( it is a shame to admit that, be a man once in your life, but can't help it emotions overcome me), due to the fact i got a worse pain and started to think more about the year and years lasting pain: what i have lost concerning the pain, that my life is a constant suffer and etc...

Originally Posted by Hopes

Did you do excersises? Stretching? The main goal is to stretch those back muscles because they are permanently tense. There is no permanent cure for people who have this problem. You stretch these back muscles every day and you'll feel a thousand times better with long lasting results, not just 2 hours of relief.

I have done a lot of stretching. I have been to a public and private doctors. It didn't help me at all. Recently, i have been to do stretching excersises again, but it made it worse. So i stopped going.

Originally Posted by Hopes

Mental health therapy is with what I called "talking doctors" when my son was young. I hope that helps you understand with the language barrier. They are professionals who you go to to talk about your problems, and they teach you "thinking techniques" for helping you overcome fear, stress, depression, anxiety, etc. Sometimes they prescribe medication to help you in addition to the talking therapy (counseling, psychology, psychologist). Antidepressants are one type of medication group that is used. A common antidepressant is PROZAC. Not sure if you've heard of that one.

I will use your advise and go to the psychologist Anglonas Anglonas Although i look at it very skeptical. I never was depressed in my life and stupid thoughts didn't reach me until i got the neck problems Yes I know what is PROZAC, Tony from "Sopranos" series used it

Originally Posted by Hopes

I don't know those medications because they aren't available in the United States or have a different name here. I'm assuming those medications are for pain management or relaxing muscles. The type of medication I'm talking about is to relax your thinking and improve your mood.

You are completely right. They are for pain management and relaxing muscles. Can i get addicted to your suggested medications?

Originally Posted by Hopes

By the time I was searching for the cause of his physical pain, I knew he had anxiety. I just didn't know he had anxiety when he was younger. I didn't know that anxiety caused his neck pain and headaches. Doctors didn't know that either. He had MRIs and CAT scans. He had many tests and had been to many specialists when he was younger---neurologists, etc. Once his anxiety got so bad that he wasn't able to attend school, I set off to find the cause of his physical pain while he was being treated by mental health professionals for anxiety. I even went to allergists. But the medical professional field that ultimately diagnosed the source of his pain was an orthopedic surgeon. Those are bone doctors. (I'm speaking simplistically to help you understand because I know doctors are called different things in other countries.) I would never go to a chiropractor, by the way. An orthopedic surgeon doesn't just do surgery or fix broken bones. They also are very knowledgeable about muscles and tendons and such. They often have physical therapy affiliated with their practices that aren't chiropractor physical therapy. Another way to find the right physical therapy other than a chiropractor is to look for sports medicine physical therapy practices if those are availabe in your area.

I am happy that everything worked out good for your son. Never been to a bone surgeon I have to pay him a visit Is your son completely healed?

Originally Posted by Hopes

I wouldn't let other doctors decide what a neurosurgeon would say. I would see a neurosurgeon and let the neurosurgeon decide. btw, some orthopedic surgeons do surgery to the spine, but I WOULD NOT allow an orthopedic surgeon to do surgery to the spine. I feel orthopedic surgeons are great for other areas of the body, but a neurosurgeon is a specialist of the spine and the best for doing actual surgery on the spine. At the same time, a neurosurgeon will not be as gifted in the phsycial therapy aspects of the back muscles as an orthopedic surgeon would be. Therefore, I would see both a neurosurgeon and an orthopedic surgeon. I would see the neurosurgeon for an opinion if surgery is a good course of action. I would see an orthopedic surgeon for treatment of symptoms of pain in your back with physical therapy.

I have heard neck operation are very difficult and problematic ones? Is it true? my mother says that afterwords i can be paralytic Anglonas Logically thinking can you restore the rotation of your neck vertebrae by an operation?

Originally Posted by Hopes

That sounds like floaters and they are probably unrelated to everything else. They are very common. If they become bothersome, you should see an eye doctor. They aren't usually treated since treatments aren't successful, but you should see an eye doctor to rule out cateracts. In other words, you will be going to an eye doctor to verify that the black dots are floaters and nothing more serious wrong with your vision. You shouldn't expect the eye doctor to correct the floaters. They are something you simply learn to live with.

it doesn't trigger me, i mentioned it to listen to your thoughts. I have been to an eye doctor and everything is OK. Chiropractors say that this is caused by a bad bloodstream to my had. i had more of these black dots after i had a chiropractor treated me.
i will add to this reply later, because i feel very tired now, my occipital pressure/pain is killing me, and i feel dizzy and not very conciuos If you can review this reply again, i will edit something

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I live in Lithuania. I speak Lithuanian.

Your English is very good.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I was on a balanced diet 1-2 years, don't exactly remember when i started. No salt, sugar, oil and many other things related to balanced diet. I'm not overweight. Aprox 6.3' and 203 pounds. But as my neck related problems got worse, i fell in frustration and began to eat everything i don't think we have milk with fortified vitamin D in our stores, maybe i didn't mention it, anyway if there is i will buy it

I'm not as concerned about your eating the bad stuff. I'm more concerned with if you are getting enough of the good stuff. Do you eat meat, vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds, whole grains and dairy products every day?

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

No, oppositely he is saying that the same symptoms that cause neck. shoulder and etc. pain, caused the jaw pain too.

It's more likely that the jaw pain was caused by your clenching/grinding your teeth.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I agree that i have anxiety, but i don't think it is the primary cause of my problems, in other words i'm saying it is not "the foundation of a structure"
i would compare it with an expression "windows of a structure". I always get anxiety when my pain gets worse, i am not anxious all the time, when my pain stays at the same level. By the way i think it is a naturall feeling, because who doesn't get anxious when they feel pain, they start logically thinking " whats wrong with me?" i doubt that there are people that get pain and feel "psichologically free" and not worried.
I don't want to admit but these two months i have depression, because i started to cry day by day( it is a shame to admit that, be a man once in your life, but can't help it emotions overcome me), due to the fact i got a worse pain and started to think more about the year and years lasting pain: what i have lost concerning the pain, that my life is a constant suffer and etc...

Even if it's not the cause of your problems, it's important to treat anxiety and depression.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I have done a lot of stretching. I have been to a public and private doctors. It didn't help me at all. Recently, i have been to do stretching excersises again, but it made it worse. So i stopped going.

Try to find physical therapy that isn't associated with a Chiropractor. Speak up for yourself and let them know if something is making your pain worse.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I will use your advise and go to the psychologist Anglonas Anglonas Although i look at it very skeptical.

Many people are skeptical. But it's important to get help when you can't cope with anxiety and depression on your own---especially when you're dealing with a long term problem (like your pain) that you can't simply make disappear.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I never was depressed in my life and stupid thoughts didn't reach me until i got the neck problems:

Illness and pain can cause anyone to become depressed. It's very normal, but you still need to treat it.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

( Yes I know what is PROZAC, Tony from "Sopranos" series used it

Funny that a television show helped us communicate about the names of a medication! PROZAC isn't just for people in the mafia. Many normal people use PROZAC too!

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

Can i get addicted to your suggested medications?

Medications in the antidepressant group are not addicting. Some medications in the benzodiazepine group, like klonopin, xanax, can be addictive.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I am happy that everything worked out good for your son. Never been to a bone surgeon I have to pay him a visit Is your son completely healed?

His physical pain is healed. He still struggles with anxiety sometimes. But the physical body pain has been gone for a few years.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

I have heard neck operation are very difficult and problematic ones? Is it true? my mother says that afterwords i can be paralytic Anglonas Logically thinking can you restore the rotation of your neck vertebrae by an operation?

That's why I would only go to the absolute best neurosurgeon available and only as a last resort. It can't hurt to get an opinion about your neck from a true medical professional who specializes in that area. Seeing a neurosurgeon doesn't mean you have to have surgery.

Originally Posted by Zizitop007

it doesn't trigger me, i mentioned it to listen to your thoughts. I have been to an eye doctor and everything is OK. Chiropractors say that this is caused by a bad bloodstream to my had. i had more of these black dots after i had a chiropractor treated me.

With all due respect, the Chiropractor doesn't know what he's talking about. And it sounds like he's making you sicker, not better. I would stop seeing Chiropractors and pursue orthopedic and neuro doctors instead.