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Old 08-05-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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If that is true, can you tell me why many men cannot stop looking at pornography? Based on what you have said about male ob/gyn, how come does a man who views pornography constantly doesn't quit looking at pornography after seeing so many naked women? Male gynecologists are men just like other men.

If a male gynecologist doesn't think about sex when seeing a vagina, how come does he still have sex with his wife? Men are aroused by seeing their wives' naked bodies.
1) Not all men look at porn, you know that right?
2) Are you married? If so, does your husband look at porn? Does he look lustfully at other women?
3) I guess you didnt read my post about people in the medical field being held to a higher standard and the Hippocratic Oath?
4) Does every man want to have sex with every woman he sees?
I dont know where you have gotten your ideas from, but you have a severly distorted view of the medical field in general, and also men in general.
5)How old are you?
6)Are you a virgin?
If you dont answer any of these questions, I'll know what the answers are, wont I?
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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I really appreciate your attitude. I am not sure if you are a doctor or a nurse, but you certainly would make a good one since you respect patients' rights to get the modesty they want in a medical setting. I know you don't share my beliefs, but I really appreciate that you respect my convictions. I think that doctors and nurses should be sensitive to patients' wishes for modesty regardless of reasons.

Thank you for your tips! I agree that it's wise to check out doctors, hospitals, and medical facilties. I honestly would not want to use a facility where nurses and doctors were insensitive to patients' wishes for modesty. I think all medical professionals should be sensitive to modest patients and work to accommodate their wishes even if they don't hold the same beliefs about modesty. I know there are some nurses and doctors out there who respect people's wishes. I've heard of some vasectomy clinics only employing male nurses because many men don't want female nurses to be present for their vasectomy. There are a number of all female ob/gyn practices all over US. In fact, I called one hospital where one all female ob/gyn practice delivers at and asked them this question because I noticed that all of their anesthesiologists were male: What if a lady has to have a C-Section and she doesn't want a male anesthesiologist, I was told that they have a female nurse anesthetist that could be there for the C-Section and that an anesthesiologist didn't have to be present which was encouraging to me.
You have no "right" to get what you want. It is only your preference (and you have every right to indulge your preferences within the confines of whatever medical coverage you have - or to pay your own way if you find your medical coverage lacking). On my part - I'd rather have a highly qualified male MD anesthesiologist than a female NA - because the "gas passer" is the person who keeps you alive during an operation IMO - and I prefer to have the most qualified person in that position when I'm asleep (the anesthesiologist I had last month had suberb training - more than half the work he does now is in transplant surgery - reckon he could deal with my minor surgery).

But your mileage may vary. Quite frankly - I don't care what you do as long as you don't make my health insurance premiums go up! BTW - I just got the notes from my operation. Seems like there were about 4 women and 4 men in my operating room (I recall there being a lot of people there - didn't know all their sexes - or all their ethnic origins or the color of all of their skins - or all their religions - now that I know their names I can guess).

Anyway - I've pretty much concluded that you are taking a hard party line because neither you nor anyone close to you has ever been really sick and needed excellent medical care to stay alive. Ask yourself what you'd do if you or your daughter or your mother needed cancer surgery - and the best person to try to save any of your lives was a guy (it might be a woman - but it might a guy). Are you going to choose on the basis of sex - or competence? Don't answer me hypothetically. Get in touch with me in 10-40 years or so when you actually face a serious medical problem. Robyn
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:12 PM
 
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Get in touch with me in 10-40 years or so when you actually face a serious medical problem. Robyn
I think that time may already be upon her.


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Old 08-05-2010, 06:13 PM
 
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Modest Woman - I don't know if you have had or seen bad experiences with men in your life or what gives you these perceptions. I would definitely say the male/female sexual responses tend to differ and it is probably along a continuum and I would agree men (in my experience) to tend to be more visually stimulated - or stimulated in general. But -

I read news stories frequently about members of the clergy and other professions also taking advantage of women and of female teachers molesting young boys. There is a certain amount of sickness in our society but that does not mean every minister is evil or every female teacher is turned on by young boys anymore than every gynecologist looks at a female vagina and gets aroused. It just is that way and society should most certainly be vigilant about weeding out these people who are a CLEAR minority.

I think when you reach a certain age and level of experience in your life, most folks grow out of those things that excite teen boys and the teen excitement is probably because it is forbidden and exciting and, well, because hormones are establishing themselves and all sorts of things are going wild.

I really think you need to give men a little more credit. I really do. Particularly if you want to have a wholesome adult relationship with one.

If you are that modest all you can do is express your feelings and hope for the best and shop for medical care appropriately. Acknowledge you really are in the minority on this one. I really don't think there is alot of disrespect out there but if you are in an emergency situation you need to loosen up because everyone in the ER deserves undivided attention and the more demands you place on them the more someone else's care may be jeaopardized. I think God would rather have a man see your naked body than let someone else die because you are raising a ruckus.

I do have a friend who is a nurse anesthetist and they work under the supervision of the anesthesiologist and if something goes wrong, the anesthesiologist is the one who steps in. There can be female anesthesiologists. Having had two c-sections, they see your back, and your face and that is pretty much it everything else is covered and they don't go "down there".

Maybe you should take it at face value that a number of us are middle age and older, have regularly been examined by male doctors, and have NEVER been or felt violated by them even though I am sure we have all had some negative experiences with other men over the years.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I agree with you. Even strongest Christian men cannot stay pure in thoughts when they see scantily dressed women at the beach.

Shades of Jimmy Carter! Then those "Christian" men for whom impure thoughts are a problem should not go to the beach, should they?

Many of them have taken precautions such as having pornographic filters on their computer.

If those men need pornographic filters on their computer, they definitely have a a problem.

It makes no sense to me about how male gynecologists could never have lustful thoughts when they examine private parts of women. They get to see women's private parts and that's far worse than scantily dressed women. I am sure that they do see some gross things, but at the same time they have many attractive women who simply come in for annual exams. A male gynecologist is a human. He is no different from another man. Some people may assume that male gynecologists are asexual. If that is true, how come many of them are married and have children?

It's called dissociation. They are able to separate their professional lives from their personal lives.

Medicine doesn't make it right for men to examine private parts of women.

Just because it is not your personal preference does not make it wrong.
There is a place for modesty in the medical setting. Most doctors will drape a patient in such a way that only the "part" being examined is exposed, and only exposed to those who have a need to see it to care for the patient --- not the janitor or the nutritionist or the administrator of the hospital --- whether of the same gender as the patient or not.

In the outpatient setting, you may very well find a practice where there is not a single person of the opposite sex on the staff, whether the practice is female oriented or male oriented. To expect a hospital to put together an all female (or all male) team is unreasonable. Your definition of "modesty" is extreme and not the norm.

Do women use more health care than men? Yes, but not because they have been seduced into thinking they need something they do not need by an evil medical system. A lot of what they use is pregnancy related. Men do not use enough health care, which is the reason they die earlier on average. A man can be having a heart attack and insist on finishing a round of golf and driving half way across the country before seeing a doctor! (I know someone who did that!)

These days most doctors --- male or female --- are likely to have a chaperon present during exams. This is not to protect the patient from the doctor, but to protect the doctor form the patient.

At some point, unless you moderate your views, you are going to be faced with the very uncomfortable decision to accept a male doctor seeing your "private parts" or to forgo treatment altogether. We'll hope it isn't when you are having a heart attack.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:20 PM
 
Location: The Big D
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1) Not all men look at porn, you know that right?
2) Are you married? If so, does your husband look at porn? Does he look lustfully at other women?
3) I guess you didnt read my post about people in the medical field being held to a higher standard and the Hippocratic Oath?
4) Does every man want to have sex with every woman he sees?
I dont know where you have gotten your ideas from, but you have a severly distorted view of the medical field in general, and also men in general.
5)How old are you?
6)Are you a virgin?
If you dont answer any of these questions, I'll know what the answers are, wont I?


I'd also like to know the level of education of Modest Woman?
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:20 PM
 
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I agree with you. Even strongest Christian men cannot stay pure in thoughts when they see scantily dressed women at the beach. Many of them have taken precautions such as having pornographic filters on their computer. It makes no sense to me about how male gynecologists could never have lustful thoughts when they examine private parts of women. They get to see women's private parts and that's far worse than scantily dressed women. I am sure that they do see some gross things, but at the same time they have many attractive women who simply come in for annual exams. A male gynecologist is a human. He is no different from another man. Some people may assume that male gynecologists are asexual. If that is true, how come many of them are married and have children?

Medicine doesn't make it right for men to examine private parts of women.
Yes....as a matter of fact it does make it right....and seeing as female gynecologists are a relatively recent phenomenon, men have been doing these exams for a loooooong time.

Have you ever had a pelvic exam???

I'm a male and during my training I did pelvic exams on women.....there is NOTHING sexy about a speculum....either for the recipient or the operator...

No one should assume a male gynecologist is "asexual"...one should assume there is very little connection between what goes on in an exam room and a bedroom.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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I do not know who you spoke to, but if someone at a hospital told you a nurse anesthetist could give anesthesia for a Cesarean section without being supervised by an anesthesiologist, that person is sorely mistaken. Most C-sections are done with spinal or epidural anesthesia, and few nurse anesthetists, if any, are qualified to do those. An anesthesiologist would be present to supervise a nurse anesthetist for any procedure.
Is that true - that a NA can't generally do a spinal? I had my first spinal (with twilight sleep) during this last surgery to remove pelvic cysts (mostly because I had skin cancer surgery between my lip and my nose a couple of months ago - and the "gas passer" didn't want to mess up that surgery with a mask) - and I got an anesthesiologist - not a NA. Quite frankly - considering what I/my insurance company was paying - I wouldn't settle for a NA - as opposed to an anesthesiologist.

FWIW - I had my post-op appointment today. And my surgeon told me I was talking through the whole operation (leave it to a lawyer to keep on talking )- but I didn't say anything stupid or inappropriate <sigh of relief>. Robyn
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Here is a very informative, interesting article about dissociation in the medical profession, although I doubt very much if the OP will bother to read it, she seems to be very rigid, perhaps entombed might be a better term, in her obtuse view of the medical community.
SpringerLink - Journal Article
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Is that true - that a NA can't generally do a spinal? I had my first spinal (with twilight sleep) during this last surgery to remove pelvic cysts (mostly because I had skin cancer surgery between my lip and my nose a couple of months ago - and the "gas passer" didn't want to mess up that surgery with a mask) - and I got an anesthesiologist - not a NA. Quite frankly - considering what I/my insurance company was paying - I wouldn't settle for a NA - as opposed to an anesthesiologist.

FWIW - I had my post-op appointment today. And my surgeon told me I was talking through the whole operation (leave it to a lawyer to keep on talking )- but I didn't say anything stupid or inappropriate <sigh of relief>. Robyn
I wouldn't say there are no nurse anesthetists that do spinals, but if they are out there, they're scarce. It would not be uncommon for the anesthesiologist to start the spinal or epidural and have the NA monitor the patient, though.

Glad you did not violate any attorney - client confidences!
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