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Old 09-29-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: PA
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The government buys the flu shots and the corporations who make them need to stay in business.
Fear is the only thing the drives you pay for anything and do anything in the governments eyes.

Most people don't die from the flu!!!
No reason to get the flu shot and unless they are spreading it on purpose.

 
Old 09-29-2010, 11:28 AM
 
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Which negates Walter Cronkite's statement I posted above. It was a media frenzy. None of the deaths or cases of Guillane-Barre have ever been verified to be linked to the swine flu vaccine. The epidemic didn't materialize that year, which did leave the govt. with 'egg on its face'. But these things are unpredicatable. Last year's early H1N1 epidemic caught everyone off guard.
Of course Guillane-Barre was direct cause and effect from Swine Flu Vaccine! What is your conclusive information that caused GB suddenly in these adults, AFTER they received Swine Flu Vaccine
 
Old 09-29-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island NY
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I'm a sixty year old asthmatic and I've been getting flu shots every year for 20 years.
Last year I couldn't get one because of the H1N1 scare. Of course after flu season there
were millions of doses unused and wasted. That's our government at work!
 
Old 09-29-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Of course Guillane-Barre was direct cause and effect from Swine Flu Vaccine! What is your conclusive information that caused GB suddenly in these adults, AFTER they received Swine Flu Vaccine
Nothing has been hidden about this bizarre incident, but the most important fact remains:

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Risks have to be weighed against benefits. Had there been a swine flu epidemic in 1976, the number of lives saved by a vaccine would have dwarfed the small number of cases of Guillain-Barré. In all, the vaccination resulted in nearly one extra case of Guillain-Barré for every 100,000 people immunized.
CDC H1N1 Flu | General Questions and Answers on Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/health/09vaccine.html
 
Old 09-29-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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Nothing has been hidden about this bizarre incident, but the most important fact remains:



CDC H1N1 Flu | General Questions and Answers on Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/health/09vaccine.html
Those are "estimated" lives saved correct? Or it could have saved no lives, nobody really knows.
 
Old 09-29-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Those are "estimated" lives saved correct? Or it could have saved no lives, nobody really knows.
Yes, epidemiologists predict outcomes based on patterns from past outbreaks. But you know that. Are you suggesting that preventative care is a waste of time because no one really knows what will occur?
 
Old 09-29-2010, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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I really don't like how the government has its hand in the vaccination business. Too cozy a relationship with Big Pharma. I do agree that there was sensationalism and fear mongering happening with the Swine Flu last season. I refused to get the vaccine last year but did get it this year. I've had the flu (not swine flu) in recent years and it's really not fun. I'd like to avoid that at all costs.
 
Old 09-29-2010, 12:25 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Of course Guillane-Barre was direct cause and effect from Swine Flu Vaccine! What is your conclusive information that caused GB suddenly in these adults, AFTER they received Swine Flu Vaccine
Well, yeah, 60 Minutes and youtube can't be wrong! Especially since any special interest group can make a youtube video. Here is another link about GBS:

CDC H1N1 Flu | General Questions and Answers on Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS)

Scientists first reported a suspected link between GBS and vaccinations in 1976, during a national campaign to vaccinate people against a swine flu virus. The investigation found that vaccine recipients had a higher risk for GBS than those who were not vaccinated (about 1 additional case occurred per 100,000 people vaccinated). Given this association, and the fact that the swine flu disease was limited, the vaccination program was stopped.
Since then, numerous studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines were associated with GBS. In most studies, no association was found, but two studies suggested that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people may be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine.


Mod note: government site.

So yes, an excess risk of 1 in a million. We take far greater risks than this every day of our lives, especially if we go out in traffic, either driving, riding in a motor vehicle, or being a pedestrian.
 
Old 09-29-2010, 12:27 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I really don't like how the government has its hand in the vaccination business. Too cozy a relationship with Big Pharma. I do agree that there was sensationalism and fear mongering happening with the Swine Flu last season. I refused to get the vaccine last year but did get it this year. I've had the flu (not swine flu) in recent years and it's really not fun. I'd like to avoid that at all costs.
It's not fun, you're right. I think it's much better to put principal aside and do what's best for yourself, then work on the other problems as you see them.
 
Old 09-29-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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Seriously, do you have independent sources? ...CDC and Vaccine Industry are joined at the hip, and due to conflict of interest, are not going to reveal the whole picture
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