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View Poll Results: Does anyone still think vaccines are Kryptonite?
Yes 4 30.77%
No 6 46.15%
Unsure 3 23.08%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-24-2011, 03:15 PM
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Now do some research on what is termed "shaken baby syndrome". There are some cases of people being prosecuted - and jailed - for shaking their baby or toddler to a point whereby death ensues that have been discovered not be the cause of death at all. Some have been proven to be the result of vaccination/s. And that's only the ones that DO make it to the media...How many wrongful cases DON'T make it to the media?

Shaken Baby Syndrome

I could be wrong here, but this appears to be an attempt to sweep it under the carpet {take note of how many vaccines they're talking about?}. But if that were the case...why the lengthy article if there was little substance in it?

I stand by what I said a while ago, TOO many and TOO much is being pumped into kids at TOO early an age, and no amount of 'pro' vaccine talk will convince me otherwise...Nobody *really* knows what will result from a combination of multiple vaccinations for everything under the sun as those kids go through puberty, adolesence and finally mature into adulthood?

Nothing wrong with vaccines per saye, but like everything else...In moderation! Don't just pump a multitude of stuff into a kid who has not the ability to decide for themselves just because it seems to be the popular thing to do, or Dr Magoo and his propaganda machine says it's good for them for the prevention of a bag full of *possible* ailments. We'll eventually vaccinate ourselves into oblivion!

Jeez, just look at the bun fight regarding circumcision?

 
Old 01-24-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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Andrew Wakefield, as far as I'm concerned, should be taken out in front of a firing squad. That firing squad should consist of real scientists--postdocs and the like--that work for pennies trying to find answers to issues like autism, cancer, and other diseases and disorders.

He is a criminal and should be treated as such. People's kids have died over his judgement calls.
If by judgement call you mean fraud.

The guy fabricated data and hid his financial bias which in research is an automatic career ender.

It's like the "scientists" hired by the tobacco companies to prove smoking was safe, only imagine instead that they presented their studies and never said that a cigarette company paid them $700,000 to do the study.

Hey, at least if you are up front and say you are being paid $700k by trial lawyers out to sue pharmaceutical companies then we can review the results with a degree of skepticism.
 
Old 01-24-2011, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Now do some research on what is termed "shaken baby syndrome". There are some cases of people being prosecuted - and jailed - for shaking their baby or toddler to a point whereby death ensues that have been discovered not be the cause of death at all. Some have been proven to be the result of vaccination/s. And that's only the ones that DO make it to the media...How many wrongful cases DON'T make it to the media?

Shaken Baby Syndrome

I could be wrong here, but this appears to be an attempt to sweep it under the carpet {take note of how many vaccines they're talking about?}. But if that were the case...why the lengthy article if there was little substance in it?

I stand by what I said a while ago, TOO many and TOO much is being pumped into kids at TOO early an age, and no amount of 'pro' vaccine talk will convince me otherwise...Nobody *really* knows what will result from a combination of multiple vaccinations for everything under the sun as those kids go through puberty, adolesence and finally mature into adulthood?

Nothing wrong with vaccines per saye, but like everything else...In moderation! Don't just pump a multitude of stuff into a kid who has not the ability to decide for themselves just because it seems to be the popular thing to do, or Dr Magoo and his propaganda machine says it's good for them for the prevention of a bag full of *possible* ailments. We'll eventually vaccinate ourselves into oblivion!

Jeez, just look at the bun fight regarding circumcision?
I fail to see how any vaccine could cause symptoms that could be mistaken for "shaken baby syndrome". The article you reference is a classic example of inferring that because one event preceded another that the first event caused the second.

It appears that the anti-vaccine crowd is grasping at straws to come up with more bad things to blame on vaccines.

The ultimate result of more vaccines will be more healthy kids having the opportunity to grow up to be healthy adults.

The idea of "too much, too soon" is just not borne out by the scientific evidence. And as parents we are responsible for doing all we can to keep our kids healthy --- including vaccinating them. If your twelve year old kid had appendicitis, you would make the decision to allow a surgeon to operate, wouldn't you?

We will not "vaccinate ourselves into oblivion", but we have already vaccinated smallpox into oblivion and we are close to doing the same with polio.

And what does circumcision have to do with vaccines?
 
Old 01-24-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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Now do some research on what is termed "shaken baby syndrome". There are some cases of people being prosecuted - and jailed - for shaking their baby or toddler to a point whereby death ensues that have been discovered not be the cause of death at all. Some have been proven to be the result of vaccination/s. And that's only the ones that DO make it to the media...How many wrongful cases DON'T make it to the media?

Shaken Baby Syndrome

I could be wrong here, but this appears to be an attempt to sweep it under the carpet {take note of how many vaccines they're talking about?}. But if that were the case...why the lengthy article if there was little substance in it?

I stand by what I said a while ago, TOO many and TOO much is being pumped into kids at TOO early an age, and no amount of 'pro' vaccine talk will convince me otherwise...Nobody *really* knows what will result from a combination of multiple vaccinations for everything under the sun as those kids go through puberty, adolesence and finally mature into adulthood?

Nothing wrong with vaccines per saye, but like everything else...In moderation! Don't just pump a multitude of stuff into a kid who has not the ability to decide for themselves just because it seems to be the popular thing to do, or Dr Magoo and his propaganda machine says it's good for them for the prevention of a bag full of *possible* ailments. We'll eventually vaccinate ourselves into oblivion!

Jeez, just look at the bun fight regarding circumcision?
Yeah, *possible* ailments like small pox, measles and a host of other imaginary diseases made up by the propaganda machine?

There is ZERO question that vaccines are pretty effective, that's been established. We also know that occasionally they either don't work or have side-effects of varying nature.

It's like a seatbelt....a high percentage of the time it works great and once in a while someone plunges into a lake and drowns because they got trapped by their seatbelt. If someone chooses not to buckle their kid in due to fear of being trapped in the burning\sinking etc. car post-accident then we have a situation similar to the vaccination issue.
 
Old 01-24-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Still nobody has been able to give me a logical explanation about all those other suspected auties and Aspies that were around long before vaccine was ever invented. Whenever someone is willing to oblige, I'm all ears.
 
Old 01-24-2011, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Yeah, *possible* ailments like small pox, measles and a host of other imaginary diseases made up by the propaganda machine?

There is ZERO question that vaccines are pretty effective, that's been established. We also know that occasionally they either don't work or have side-effects of varying nature.

It's like a seatbelt....a high percentage of the time it works great and once in a while someone plunges into a lake and drowns because they got trapped by their seatbelt. If someone chooses not to buckle their kid in due to fear of being trapped in the burning\sinking etc. car post-accident then we have a situation similar to the vaccination issue.
Excellent analogy!
 
Old 01-24-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Still nobody has been able to give me a logical explanation about all those other suspected auties and Aspies that were around long before vaccine was ever invented. Whenever someone is willing to oblige, I'm all ears.
Well, the anti-vaccine crowd chooses to ignore the inconvenient fact that autism and Asperger's predate vaccines, don't they?

The preponderance of the evidence strongly points to genetic factors, including a high concordance in identical twins.
 
Old 01-24-2011, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Well, the anti-vaccine crowd chooses to ignore the inconvenient fact that autism and Asperger's predate vaccines, don't they?

The preponderance of the evidence strongly points to genetic factors, including a high concordance in identical twins.
I think they're doing this for a reason. That is because it puts too much of a dent in their egos knowing it's from their perfect little gene pools. My father was the same way. He had a hard time swallowing the fact that it was from his side of the family. He never could accept that I had Asperger's, but he insisted I was a problem child who needed to shape up. He knew a lot for someone who was never around when I needed him and had custody for all but three years - half of which he sent me to military school because he thought extra discipline would make all my problems go away. Believe me; I understand the gyst of what you're saying.
 
Old 01-24-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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...,in the hopes of scaring more people into getting their toxic flu shot.
Flu shots are not toxic, otherwise they would never have been approved by the Centers for Disease Control. I have received one like clockwork every year for the past 14 years with no ill effects whatsoever. It sure beats being miserable with the flu.
 
Old 01-24-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Flu shots are not toxic, otherwise they would never have been approved by the Centers for Disease Control. I have received one like clockwork every year for the past 14 years with no ill effects whatsoever. It sure beats being miserable with the flu.
THANK YOU!! You know what I have to say about that? If vaccines were the cause of autism, they'd be banned by the CDC and the FDA. There is no conspiracy here, either. These are all just anomalies, and your statement backs mine up further that all these vaccine scares and curing autism hogwash is just a cultural backlash against all the causes diagnosed and the fact that it's cool to be a geek these days.
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