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Old 01-31-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by movintime View Post
Cigs way worse (& affect others via 2nd hand smoke). But donuts (sugar) cause obesity, diabetes, heart dis. etc. -- thus it is a VERY close 2nd & in some ways may be worse. But cigs affect me if I'm near them, so I say cigs are my fear.
Guess again. Obesity related illnesses have surpassed cigarettes as a cause of death.

3 donuts a day is far worse than 3 cigs a day.

 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I'm going to nit-pick. We need a model donut.

I, like most people, was immediately inclined to say the cigarettes, but then I looked on Dunkin' Donuts website. Nutrition Catalog | Dunkin' Donuts

370 calories in one old-fashioned cake donut. 22 grams of fat, 10 of which are saturated fat. On the premise of this donuy, I found it extremely hard to conclude that consuming 30 additional grams of saturated fat a day was better for you than smoking three cigarettes. And some of the other varieties are much much much worse.
One chocolate coconut cake donut: 550 calories, 39 grams of fat, 25 of which are saturated! Oh yeah, and 22g of sugar. That is disgusting. Even just two of those a day (closest to your 1000 cal estimate) means you are putting 50 extra grams of saturated fat into your system. That is 250% of the daily recommended value you are consuming ABOVE AND BEYOND the daily recommended value. If you don't go into a diabetic coma first from the sugar, you'll have clogged arteries to look forward to in no time.


On this analysis, again, I don't know. I think the effects of 1000 extra cals of donuts would manifest themselves sooner than 3 cigarettes a day for sure. It's tough though because while diabetes seems to me less nefarious than lung cancer, a heart attack could come at any time. Then again, smoking is a risk factor for heart disease too. Overall though, because I really believe that all that extra fat accumulation will kill you sooner than 3 cigs a day, I have to go with the donuts.

I think someone finally "gets it".
 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I don't smoke ,but I inhale donuts. Seriously, as a Respiratory Therapist I have to say cigarettes are more harmful. I can't remember having a donut although I do have a bagel ocassionally both
cause insulin resistance and donuts by virtue of the sugar be a factor in many diseases as well as
being a catalyst for pain in muscle and joints. Cigs though are inhaled the nicotine constricts the
coronary network ,causes the alveolar macrophages to multiply in response to a need to engulf
microscopic particals not filtered causing cellular debris to accumulated, Decrease ciliary activity
and even wearing them down leaving a unguarded defense and thereby creating a pocket for beign
cysts/tumors. Increase mucus production,potential pneumothorax (from coughing and blowing out
alveoli due to sudden back pressue), body odor (mouth/clothes/car/house) create second hand
environmental hazard, potential of killing you ,your family and self after dropping "the weed" on your cottin'pickin lap while driving or burn our house down,setting a forest fire,and making yourself
look like a dummy. Our bodies are suppose to be the temple of the Lord and cigs just don't seem to fit the image. Emphysema is an insidious death march, where you mentally become someone from la la land ,burden your family ,medical system contributing to billions in otherwise unnecessary
cost to tax payers and possibly being relegated to being on oxygen and be killed finally by anti-biotics,corticostroids,and tons of other insane drugs ,unnecessary tests when your too far gone (so they can tell you that you have 10% lung capacity ching ching) and your sick really ...sick ching.......bye now ...........next!
Das (the "weed" killer)
Irrelevant as the "copy and paste big words form some website" look like they are comparing a regular smoker (many cigarettes a day) to one donut.
 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I mean, who's stupid enough to say that 1100 empty calories (refined, processed sugars and flour) a day is better than 3 cigarettes? I mean, has anyone here actually taken a biology class?
 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Remember what Paracelsus said:

“Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy.”

The problem is that people can't just have one cigarette here and there - they have to turn it into a pack-a-day habit. And people can't indulge in fatty, processed food for a treat every month or two - they eat out 5 times a week.
Right, but that's not what the original post is asking.
 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I mean, who's stupid enough to say that 1100 empty calories (refined, processed sugars and flour) [including the 117 grams of fat, 75 saturated, in three donuts] a day is better than 3 cigarettes? I mean, has anyone here actually taken a biology class?
Another guy that gets it.
 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Another guy that gets it.
1. I'm a woman.
2. I'm a physician.
3. I've already had this conversation with many of my cardiology friends/colleagues.

Of course, both are less than ideal (smoking and eating total crap), but 3 cigs a day is next to nothing from a CV risk standpoint (meaning, if you exercise, eat right, etc).
 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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1. I'm a woman.
2. I'm a physician.
3. I've already had this conversation with many of my cardiology friends/colleagues.

Of course, both are less than ideal (smoking and eating total crap), but 3 cigs a day is next to nothing from a CV risk standpoint (meaning, if you exercise, eat right, etc).

That's what I think. I'm amazed at the intense stance people have taken in this thread which has them convinced otherwise. My guess is they just didn't read the question. They automatically assume cigarette - no matter the quantity ingested is worse than anything else - no matter the quantity ingested.

Glad you posted to validate this.
 
Old 01-31-2011, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Obesity related illnesses have surpassed cigarettes as a cause of death.

3 donuts a day is far worse than 3 cigs a day.
The first sentence above is a fact. No argument. But the conclusion in the second sentence does not follow from the first. As fewer and fewer people smoke, then the number of deaths caused by smoking gradually declines. And as more and more people become obese, then the number of deaths caused by obesity gradually rises. This does not prove anything about donuts versus cigs as far as how dangerous each is to our health. It just proves how many people are partaking of each danger.
 
Old 01-31-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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The first sentence above is a fact. No argument. But the conclusion in the second sentence does not follow from the first. As fewer and fewer people smoke, then the number of deaths caused by smoking gradually declines. And as more and more people become obese, then the number of deaths caused by obesity gradually rises. This does not prove anything about donuts versus cigs as far as how dangerous each is to our health. It just proves how many people are partaking of each danger.
Someone actually does 'get it'.^^
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