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Old 06-29-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Exactly. Someone whose potassium, sodium, and glucose levels are spot on perfect, who doesn't have high or low blood pressure, cholesterol, and not complaining of any gastric upset or unusual thirst/lack of thirst, is showing no symptoms of dehydration or obesity or other physical traits of bad nutrition, doesn't need to be asked what they're eating.

Obviously, whatever they're eating, is working for them. If anything, the doctor might want to ask what the patient's secret is, so he could advise other patients to do the same thing.
But you fill out the questionnaire, and the doctor reads it (maybe) before he sees the results of the tests, and not very many patients who consult a doctor have all of those levels within healthful tolerance, which is why lthe patient has gone to the doctor, and why the doctor orders the tests.

The doctor always asks if you smoke, but never about any of the other toxic and harmful junk that many people addictively put into their body.

The fact that the doctor doesn't ask suggests that he doesn't care, because he believes it has no influence on your general health or your capacity to benefit from treatment, which is what I find alarming.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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What makes me curious is how people say they "don't have time to exercise or eat right" but when they get sick, they find the time to go to the doctor, go get tests, go to specialists, go to the drugstore to get their prescriptions filled, time to take their pills, insulin shots, glucose monitoring, and time to deal with their insurance (if they're lucky enough to have insurance).

Why don't we find the time for wellness if we find the time for sickness?
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Durham UK
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but my point is, what we eat has to do with our HEALTH. These people are in the HEALTH field and should set an example. Does anyone go to a big fat personal trainer? They're human too. I'm human and I've never been fat or unhealthy. Health professionals should know what overeating does to the inside of the body, not just about making them fat. It's not just about calories, why don't people get that? I can still be a thin person if I eat only some doritos everyday. I would not be healthy though.
If it were as simple as that, ie tell people what to eat and what the unhealthy foods do to their body, then we wouldn't have epidemics of cancer, heart disease and type II diabetes. Nor would we need to spend billions on "health promotion".
Health care professionals probably have some of the most stressful jobs and work antisocial hours and shifts where they often won't get adequate meal breaks.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Back in MADISON Wi thank God!
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If it were as simple as that, ie tell people what to eat and what the unhealthy foods do to their body, then we wouldn't have epidemics of cancer, heart disease and type II diabetes. Nor would we need to spend billions on "health promotion".
Health care professionals probably have some of the most stressful jobs and work antisocial hours and shifts where they often won't get adequate meal breaks.
my husband has one of THE most stressful jobs there is. He makes time to exercise, and packs his own healthy food to take with him. It can be done. The post above says it all. People claim they don't have time to eat right and exercise, yet being sick and unhealthy is so much more of a drain on ones time. Prevention is key. It's like maintaining anything that you care about, that you want to last a long time, your home, car, your body....yes it does require time, but it's well worth it. I just don't understand.........
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Old 07-02-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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Doctors don't have time to treat the patient....just their symptoms, and usually with synthetic drugs.
No, I don't think so. Patients don't have the time, or willingness, to treat themselves via healthy diet and exercise. Lets not put personal responsibility onto others.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:53 PM
 
Location: not new to houston anymore
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^^ doctors don't have much time, so they would rather do something they know will help (prescribe medication) instead of spending time counseling you to do something you know you should do (and probably wont). i agree about taking personal responsibility. it's your own health.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:58 PM
 
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^^ doctors don't have much time, so they would rather do something they know will help (prescribe medication) instead of spending time counseling you to do something you know you should do (and probably wont). i agree about taking personal responsibility. it's your own health.
It reminds me of work to a degree. I can't imagine going to a meeting with colleagues or a boss unprepared. I need to have the content of the meeting prepared. I need to have any questions I have prepared. I need to have possible solutions prepared. If I did not go to a scheduled meeting with these things my boss or colleague would look at me like I had a screw loose. They have limited time and we need to get to it in the 30 minutes. And yet, this doesn't seem to be the MO with patients and physicians.
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No, I don't think so. Patients don't have the time, or willingness, to treat themselves via healthy diet and exercise. Lets not put personal responsibility onto others.
You're talking about the opposite side of the coin. A doctor can better diagnose and/or understand the circumstances of a condition, if they have a sense of whether to attribute their cause to diet or lifestyle.

It's about the doctor making a better-informed evaluation of the patient's condition, not about harping at the patient to change the diet or lifestyle.

If a doctor without borders goes into an African village, he knows that every patient he sees is probably going to have a condition related to malnutrition. But back at home in the USA, he makes no effort to distinguish between those which might or might not have a nutrition factor underlying the symptoms, and treats all patients the same.
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Old 07-04-2011, 05:37 PM
 
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What makes me curious is how people say they "don't have time to exercise or eat right" but when they get sick, they find the time to go to the doctor, go get tests, go to specialists, go to the drugstore to get their prescriptions filled, time to take their pills, insulin shots, glucose monitoring, and time to deal with their insurance (if they're lucky enough to have insurance).

Why don't we find the time for wellness if we find the time for sickness?

Does that hit home!

seems I'm constantly running from one doctor to another, tests, etc, and am fed up with sitting in waiting rooms, etc. Each doctor's visit is half a day, at least, most of that spent just sitting and waiting, then, get some bored, hostile doc who brushes you off, sends you for more tests, never even looks at the results, etc.

I am sick of running all over the place for health issues. But, I still do it, why? Because I'm backed into it, my time for my health.

Why not invest some of that time in "maintenance" exercise, better nutrition, which I do, but the amount of time spent on such self-help efforts is outweighed by the time I spend chasing my tail one doctor to another.

Why don't we find the time for wellness if we find the time for sickness

I like that!
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: not new to houston anymore
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But back at home in the USA, he makes no effort to distinguish between those which might or might not have a nutrition factor underlying the symptoms, and treats all patients the same.
because most of the time, UNLESS the patient is willing to change the nutritional problem, the treatment is still supposed to be the same.

i.e. if u want to drink tons of caffeine, smoke, have lots of salt in your diet and pack on extra lbs (for whatever reason), then you still have to treat the blood pressure problem the same as someone who doesn't do those things but still has high bp.

i.e. if you are 50 lbs overweight, don't exercise, and take in tons of carbs/sugars/etc, then you still have to treat the diabetes the same as someone who is diabetic but doesn't have that lifestyle.

the doctor SHOULD still ask about those nutritional factors when it is relevant (ie ask about salt/caffeine for bp, fatty foods/carbs for cholesterol, etc). he/she should ask mainly so that the patient will know what to work on--even though a majority of people will never work on it seriously due to life factors (stress, lack of motivation, etc). you never know though, some people will change after the 10th time you've asked. but usually it takes a heart attack or a diabetes diagnosis to get ppl to take their health seriously if they already have a propensity to be negligent. kudos to the ppl who DO take care of themselves. make sure you instill it in your kids.
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