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Old 10-24-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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This is a good alcoholism test and will give you a pretty good idea where you or a loved one stand. 3-5 points indicates you're pretty much showing alcohol abuse symptoms and anything above 6 points full-blown alcoholism.
It's actually not a very good test at all. Consider just a single, very possibility that has happened to several people I know while we were all in college together:

2: Woke up in the morning not remember parts of the night before? Yes
5: Ever feel guilty about drinking? Yes
7: Ever gotten into a fight while drinking? Yes
8: Ever had drinking cause problem between you and friend/relative? Yes
10: Ever lost a friend due to drinking? Yes
18: Ever been hospitalized due to drinking? Yes
21: Ever been arrested for something -other- than drinking, while drinking? Yes

Now - that's 7 points. Those 7 points can (and have) happen to someone in a single event in their life. Not over a series of time, just one night. One night could be worth 7 points.

That doesn't make anyone an alcoholic. It doesn't even mean anyone is a problem drinker. It means, the person got so drunk they don't remember what happened, but they got into a fight with a close friend, lost their friend because of it, ended up in the hospital, and got arrested for the fight.

That's just one person, in one night. Multiply that by however many fraternities are in your closest city, and you've got a whole lot of people with 7 points who aren't problem drinkers.
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:17 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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It's actually not a very good test at all....Consider just a single possibility that has happened to several people I know while we were all in college together....Those 7 points can happen to someone in a single event in their life. Not over a series of time, just one night.
This is a self test for someone who's concerned about their habitual drinking. Obviously someone who's had some of these experiences in ONE NIGHT would not be taking the test.
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Old 10-24-2011, 08:11 PM
 
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This is a self test for someone who's concerned about their habitual drinking. Obviously someone who's had some of these experiences in ONE NIGHT would not be taking the test.
Anyone who is concerned about their habitual drinking, doesn't need to take a test to determine whether or not they have a drinking problem. The answer is yes - they do. The fact that they're concerned enough to consider taking a test, is the determining factor. No test needed.
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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Anyone who is concerned about their habitual drinking, doesn't need to take a test to determine whether or not they have a drinking problem.
One of alcoholism's most defining features is DENIAL. Unless a "problem drinker" wants to change, h/she will probably not look at a test like this.
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Old 10-27-2011, 04:53 PM
 
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One of alcoholism's most defining features is DENIAL. Unless a "problem drinker" wants to change, h/she will probably not look at a test like this.
And that leads to the conclusion that the only people who -would- take a test like this, are people who -don't- have a drinking problem.

If (a) = true, and (a) != (b), then (b) = false.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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One of alcoholism's most defining features is DENIAL. Unless a "problem drinker" wants to change, h/she will probably not look at a test like this.
It's a tough problem, caused by many factors. It's up to the individual to recognize the problem and face it.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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And that leads to the conclusion that the only people who -would- take a test like this, are people who -don't- have a drinking problem.
Not sure how it could it lead you to that conclusion....
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:44 AM
 
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Because if they -want to change- then they already know there's a problem. And since they already know there's a problem, they don't need a test to tell them there's a problem.

If they don't want to change (or are in denial and reject the idea that there even -might- be a problem), then they won't take the test, because they don't want to hear about it.

And so - the only people who -would- take such a test, is someone who doesn't -need- to take such a test.
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Old 10-28-2011, 07:19 AM
 
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Because if they -want to change- then they already know there's a problem. And since they already know there's a problem, they don't need a test to tell them.
Alcoholism is a progressive disease. Many alcoholics decide that they don't want to stay in a state of denial. Lots of people have taken tests like these and either changed their drinking or gotten help...Or said to heck with it and lied on the answers. You have a very narrow view of addiction.
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Old 10-28-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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-You can get all of the health benefits of wine with a red wine extract such as Resveratrol or OPC-3. You can get all the benefits of beer from a cup of yogurt. There is no need to ruin your liver with alcohol the get healthy.
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