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Old 06-01-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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Drug companies pay the insurance companies to pay for the drugs.

That is why the insurance companies don't complain about doctors over-prescribing.
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Old 06-01-2018, 10:34 AM
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I was thinking about this subject and the first thing that came into my mind about the Overmedication of America is the fluoridation of our waters. How Alcoa and Mellon put this all together about 7 decades ago and the pros who go into cities to talk their people into fluoridating are paid nicely by the industry. We have no idea how much damage all this fluoride has done to our bodies and health in so many areas: thyroid, joints, brains and we'll never never know...but so much is written in books and articles and groups who have been fighting this for many yrs.

And how our waters are so polluted today and this is just another huge reason.

There will be a major lawsuit in Later 2019 on this issue against the EPA.
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Old 06-01-2018, 03:13 PM
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Drug companies pay the insurance companies to pay for the drugs.

That is why the insurance companies don't complain about doctors over-prescribing.

https://spectator.org/58336_hot-shots-indian-wells/

The United States' addiction to overmedication - The State Press

On our children today:

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/direc...edicated.shtml
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Old 06-02-2018, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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though I believe in our medical system, I do not think most medical professionals are out to just make money at the cost of their patience health I have always thought, or for the past 20 years we are over medicated and over tested.
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Old 06-02-2018, 09:57 AM
 
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Many times the pills that are popped do very much benefit the people taking them. Sure, many times the same benefits could come from a better diet......but that ain't gonna happen.
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Old 06-02-2018, 10:39 AM
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Many times the pills that are popped do very much benefit the people taking them. Sure, many times the same benefits could come from a better diet......but that ain't gonna happen.
Most of those pills that are popped are masking the real roots of the problems. And as for the fluoride issue which is a major thorn in my life, our bodies are NOT fluoride deficient.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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Many times the pills that are popped do very much benefit the people taking them. Sure, many times the same benefits could come from a better diet......but that ain't gonna happen.
You cannot get the same benefits from pills that you can get from a better diet. Drugs don't correct any problems, but a healthy lifestyle will correct many problems.

Drugs may provide an illusion of helping, because your cholesterol and blood pressure might be lowered. But you could still be very unhealthy.

I tried to explain this in another thread -- here is an example of someone who thinks lifestyle improvements and drugs have similar benefits. They also think it is not possible to convince patients to eat better.

But as I tried to explain, the problem is that they advise patients to lose weight by limiting calories, which almost never works permanently. So doctors decide that most patients don't have enough will power, and therefore give them drugs.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:24 AM
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I've thought a lot about this subject since I found it here. How in the world did all the generations before us get thru their long lives without all the drugs being pushed and taken today? My family all lived long lives and probably took some BP meds and had bayer and anacin in their medicine cabinets...and they were not without pain. But managed their lives.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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You cannot get the same benefits from pills that you can get from a better diet. Drugs don't correct any problems, but a healthy lifestyle will correct many problems.

Drugs may provide an illusion of helping, because your cholesterol and blood pressure might be lowered. But you could still be very unhealthy.

I tried to explain this in another thread -- here is an example of someone who thinks lifestyle improvements and drugs have similar benefits. They also think it is not possible to convince patients to eat better.

But as I tried to explain, the problem is that they advise patients to lose weight by limiting calories, which almost never works permanently. So doctors decide that most patients don't have enough will power, and therefore give them drugs.
That is a blanket statement that may be true for some but not others. I agree 100% that diet and exercise can improve one's health immensely and highly likely that it will enable them to get off certain medications. But it wont cure everyone. My husband must take cholesterol medication regardless of his diet and exercise. I must take amitriptyline for my neuropathy. I must also take levoxyl for my thyroid.

Furthermore I watch my caloric intake in order to stay at a healthy weight.
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Old 06-03-2018, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I've thought a lot about this subject since I found it here. How in the world did all the generations before us get thru their long lives without all the drugs being pushed and taken today? My family all lived long lives and probably took some BP meds and had bayer and anacin in their medicine cabinets...and they were not without pain. But managed their lives.
Many did not have "long lives".

Average life expectancy in the US has increased due to better medical care, including medicines. No, it is not due to lower infant mortality. In 1900, a 65 year old white male would on average live an additional 12 years, for a black male, the figure was 10 years; white female, 12 years; black female, 11 years.

https://www.seniorliving.org/history...united-states/

"In 1900, the expectation for white men was to live to age 47 and 12 percent of those born in 1900 would make it to age 65. In contrast, an African American man born in 1900 was only expected to live until the age of 33 and of those born in 1900, only 10 percent of them would live to reach age 65."

"White women born in 1900 were expected to live until age 49 and of those women born in that decade, 12 percent would live to be age 65 and 4 percent to age 85. For African American women born in 1900, life was short. Their life expectancy was only 34 years and only 11 percent of those women would make it to age 65 and five percent would turn 85."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2016/015.pdf

For 2015, age 65, average remaining life expectancy:

White male: 18.0 years
White female: 20.5 years
Black male: 16.4 years
Black female: 19.7 years

There has been a drop in life expectancy in the last two years, fueled by an increase in drug overdoses, especially in the 25 to 34 year old age group.

As you have been told many times, anecdotes about your own family are not data. The figures given are averages, meaning some died earlier and some died later. On average, people in the US are living longer, many of them due to medications.
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