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Old 10-13-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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That's amazing. I am very happy that Anthem has such an enlightened approach to care for gender dysphoria.
They really are great, they've been really good about covering my medical care.

 
Old 10-13-2017, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Well, that is mental health. The mind thinks the body should be different.
No. The brain knows the body should be different.




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Look into John Money. Anyone who discusses transgenderism should know the origin of the modern use of the word. Have a wastebasket nearby to vomit though. His "research" made me very upset and angry.

Not true.

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Psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University coined the term transgender in his 1965 reference work Sexual Hygiene and Pathology, writing that the term which had previously been used, transsexualism, "is misleading; actually, 'transgenderism' is meant, because sexuality is not a major factor in primary transvestism."[18][19][20] The term transgender was then popularized with varying definitions by various transgender, transsexual, and transvestite people, including Virginia Prince,[21] who used it in the December 1969 issue of Transvestia, a national magazine for cross dressers she founded.[22] By the mid-1970s both trans-gender and trans people were in use as umbrella terms,[note 1] and 'transgenderist' was used to describe people who wanted to live cross-gender without sex reassignment surgery (SRS).[23] By 1976, transgenderist was abbreviated as TG in educational materials.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transg...er_terminology
 
Old 10-13-2017, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Look into John Money. Anyone who discusses transgenderism should know the origin of the modern use of the word. Have a wastebasket nearby to vomit though. His "research" made me very upset and angry.
This made me sick, and angry, though I doubt it will affect you in the same way. This can be the result of intolerance.

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Ally Steinfeld, 17, was a trans female who said in May on her Instagram account that she was coming out. Then, less than five months later, she was gruesomely killed at her girlfriend’s house. The girlfriend, who is among three charged with first-degree murder and other crimes, wanted her dead, according to interviews conducted by Texas County Sheriff’s investigators.
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Police believe Steinfeld was killed Sept. 3 in Calderas’ Cabool, Mo., home — where they found a burn pile, human remains and blood on the living room carpet. Andrew Vrba, 18, admitted that he tried to poison Steinfeld, police say. When she didn’t drink the liquid, he stabbed her multiple times, gouging out her eyes and stabbing her genitals, according to court documents.

Calderas and Vrba’s friend Isis Schauer allegedly then traveled to a nearby Walmart to buy supplies to help burn the body.
Transgender teen Ally Steinfeld dated alleged murderer, Missouri police say | The Kansas City Star
 
Old 10-13-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by cb at sea View Post
What's to talk about? Many of these folks who waiver back and forth have mental issues.

If someone REALLY feels they're not the sex they were born into, they do the deed, and are done...they are now another sex.....some of these folks need therapy...not surgery.
Those who think their minds don't match their bodies have mental issues.

Only we don't give them the support they need as we do with anorexics

Instead we celebrate their mental issues so they are more likely to spiral downward

We fail them
 
Old 10-13-2017, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Originally Posted by Jeaniee View Post
Those who think their minds don't match their bodies have mental issues.

Only we don't give them the support they need as we do with anorexics

Instead we celebrate their mental issues so they are more likely to spiral downward

We fail them
Another armchair Psychiatrist/Psychologist speaks.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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Another armchair Psychiatrist/Psychologist speaks.
yeah it takes a psychiatrist to figure this out
 
Old 10-13-2017, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Those who think their minds don't match their bodies have mental issues.

Only we don't give them the support they need as we do with anorexics

Instead we celebrate their mental issues so they are more likely to spiral downward

We fail them
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yeah it takes a psychiatrist to figure this out
If you're going to declare people you don't know and have never met mentally ill, yeah you damn well better have some Psychology to back it up, because the American Psychiatric Association disagrees.

And with supportive care and treatment, trans people such as myself are not "more likely to spiral downward."

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119 (46.9%) of the patients filled out and returned the questionnaires, at a mean of 5.05 years after surgery (standard deviation 1.61 years, range 1–7 years). 90.2% said their expectations for life as a woman were fulfilled postoperatively. 85.4% saw themselves as women. 61.2% were satisfied, and 26.2% very satisfied, with their outward appearance as a woman; 37.6% were satisfied, and 34.4% very satisfied, with the functional outcome. 65.7% said they were satisfied with their life as it is now.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4261554/

Despite the small sample size, this shows that most trans people's lives improve after transition. They are hardly "spiraling downward."

That's why I called you an armchair Psychiatrist/Psychologist, because who have no idea what you're talking about. Educate yourself.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Those who think their minds don't match their bodies have mental issues.

Only we don't give them the support they need as we do with anorexics

Instead we celebrate their mental issues so they are more likely to spiral downward

We fail them
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A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

Some who will not be named, will say, and have said "discrimination? what discrimination?" I will address that here.

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Anti-discrimination laws in most U.S. cities and states do not protect transgender people from discrimination based on gender identity or gender expression. Consequently, transgender people in most cities and states face discrimination in nearly every aspect of their lives. The National Center for Transgender Equality and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force released a report in 2011 entitled Injustice at Every Turn, which confirmed the pervasive and severe discrimination faced by transgender people. Out of a sample of nearly 6,500 transgender people, the report found that transgender people experience high levels of discrimination in employment, housing, health care, education, legal systems, and even in their families.

Transgender people may also have additional identities that may affect the types of discrimination they experience. Groups with such additional identities include transgender people of racial, ethnic, or religious minority backgrounds; transgender people of lower socioeconomic statuses; transgender people with disabilities; transgender youth; transgender elderly; and others. Experiencing discrimination may cause significant amounts of psychological stress, often leaving transgender individuals to wonder whether they were discriminated against because of their gender identity or gender expression, another sociocultural identity, or some combination of all of these.

According to the study, while discrimination is pervasive for the majority of transgender people, the intersection of anti-transgender bias and persistent, structural racism is especially severe. People of color in general fare worse than White transgender people, with African American transgender individuals faring far worse than all other transgender populations examined.
Many transgender people are the targets of hate crimes. They are also the victims of subtle discrimination—which includes everything from glances or glares of disapproval or discomfort to invasive questions about their body parts.
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

Dismissing me as someone who "thinks their mind doesn't match their body" is simplistic. My brain knows my body is incorrect.

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Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193

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Transsexuals have the strong feeling, often from childhood onwards, of having been born the wrong sex. The possible psychogenic or biological aetiology of transsexuality has been the subject of debate for many years. Here we show that the volume of the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminals (BSTc), a brain area that is essential for sexual behaviour, is larger in men than in women. A female-sized BSTc was found in male-to-female transsexuals. The size of the BSTc was not influenced by sex hormones in adulthood and was independent of sexual orientation. Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289
 
Old 10-14-2017, 01:44 AM
 
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John Money:

Money proposed and developed several theories and related terminology, including gender identity, gender role,[6] gender-identity/role, and lovemap. He also changed the word "perversions" to "paraphilias" and the word "sexual preference" to "sexual orientation", striving towards less judgmental descriptions and arguing that attraction is not necessarily a matter of free will.[2] Money was a professor of pediatrics and medical psychology at Johns Hopkins University from 1951 until his death. He also established the Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic in 1965 along with Claude Migeon who was the head of plastic surgery at Johns Hopkins. The hospital began performing sexual reassignment surgery in 1966.[7] At Johns Hopkins, Money was also involved with the Sexual Behaviors Unit, which ran studies on sex-reassignment surgery. He received the Magnus Hirschfeld Medal in 2002 from the German Society for Social-Scientific Sexuality Research.

From wikipedia. You can read about his "experiments" and "research" there. I would post it, but it will get removed because they are so disgusting. At least be honest about the word's origin.
 
Old 10-14-2017, 01:50 AM
 
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This made me sick, and angry, though I doubt it will affect you in the same way. This can be the result of intolerance.





Transgender teen Ally Steinfeld dated alleged murderer, Missouri police say | The Kansas City Star

Murder is always wrong. I don't think anyone here has said any different, or thinks any different.

But this has nothing to do with mental illness. Nothing. It's a smoke screen argument. And to say that "it would not affect me" is an insult. You haven't read my posts for what they are. Of course MURDER IS WRONG.

It's also why I find John Money's experiments of sexual abuse of toddlers in the name of transgender research so disgusting. Or do you approve of his research? Have you even heard of him? have you read his work?
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