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Old 09-27-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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Yes I have seen children and animals play.... and do not agree with your premise.
And you can't say why. You just want to disagree, as usual. Waste of time.
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Old 09-27-2018, 12:37 PM
 
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And you can't say why. You just want to disagree, as usual. Waste of time.
I have said. Play is an evolutionary method of training for adulthood, not just because humans like to move around. Most animals have a drive to conserve fuel if possible.

Humans, horses, dogs.... all have a tendency to become overweight when given access to an unlimited amount of food, and not purposefully exercised.
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Old 09-27-2018, 01:08 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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My default is couch potato. And this idea about not being hungry when your system is in order doesn't work for me. At. All. I'm an addict, I will eat until my stomach is bursting. Even though I know that I'll feel terrible afterwards. (FYI -- my blood work lands right in the middle of all acceptable ranges).

I loved the comment about "You can't out run your fork". Very similar to my own "weight is lost in the kitchen, muscles are built at the gym".

However, I do agree that 'diets' can be a problem. It's lifestyle, change your lifestyle - eat healthier foods, and less of them (calorie-wise). I slowly replaced all the unhealthy foods in my world with healthier options. But I still have to restrict them. I will gladly eat and entire container of nuts, of 17 servings of fruit, or an entire block of cheese. I binge, always have. Even as a very young child, who was never deprived of food.

I don't love exercise, but I do love the results!
Wait till you get to be an old lady and your stomach/ GI tract fights back when you try and stuff it with more food than it wants ( and that gets to be less as you get older). That misery, if nothing else, tends to limit the binging.

I agree with you about the exercise.
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Old 09-27-2018, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Ahhhh...new research just out looking at the neurobiology around exercise and the difference between stated attitudes and actual behavior:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/w...e=sectionfront

“To me, these findings would seem to indicate that our brains are innately attracted to being sedentary,” says Matthieu Boisgontier, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, who led the study in conjunction with Boris Cheval at the University of Geneva in Switzerland.

The results make sense from an evolutionary standpoint, Dr. Boisgontier says.

“Conserving energy was necessary” for us as a species in our early days, he says. The fewer calories that atavistic humans burned, the fewer they had to replace at a time when food was not readily available.
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No, we are not wired to sit. If we were, no one would dance. No one would play golf or tennis, or any other leisure sport.

Being sedentary can become a habit. Your muscles get weak, so of course you don't feel like moving.

Just observe young children if you think we are wired to sit. Yes they get conditioned to sit still in school, and some get addicted to computer games. But it is, very obviously, more natural for children to love active playing.

And hard to believe you have never observed animals that love to run and play.
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Got a source for that? Other than your observations, that is...
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You mean someone had to do a controlled experiment to show the obvious?
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And you can't say why. You just want to disagree, as usual. Waste of time.
You're wasting time - you won't even attempt to refute any decent evidence....and you can't say why. You like to opine to hear yourself talk but you can't come up with the goods. Very disappointing for a supposed scholar.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:09 PM
 
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Physical exercise can be fun or boring and unpleasant. The same for mental exercise.

Would you say that people don't like to use their minds, just because we may avoid mental effort?

It's the same thing. Depending on various factors, we like exercise or dislike it or hate it. Similarly for mental effort.

It's really easy to find examples of humans and other animals moving their bodies just because they want to. And it's really easy to find examples of people using their minds because they want to.

So if you were willing to stop and think about this, you would understand.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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Ahhhh...new research just out looking at the neurobiology around exercise and the difference between stated attitudes and actual behavior:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/w...e=sectionfront

“To me, these findings would seem to indicate that our brains are innately attracted to being sedentary,” says Matthieu Boisgontier, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, who led the study in conjunction with Boris Cheval at the University of Geneva in Switzerland.

The results make sense from an evolutionary standpoint, Dr. Boisgontier says.

“Conserving energy was necessary” for us as a species in our early days, he says. The fewer calories that atavistic humans burned, the fewer they had to replace at a time when food was not readily available.
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Physical exercise can be fun or boring and unpleasant. The same for mental exercise.

Would you say that people don't like to use their minds, just because we may avoid mental effort?

It's the same thing. Depending on various factors, we like exercise or dislike it or hate it. Similarly for mental effort.

It's really easy to find examples of humans and other animals moving their bodies just because they want to. And it's really easy to find examples of people using their minds because they want to.

So if you were willing to stop and think about this, you would understand.
You're not a real research psychologist, are you? I guess you didn't understand my reference....too psychological for you? I was hoping you'd be more knowledgable in that discipline than you are in matters of biology and human physiology.

You can't even comment on it....just stop and think about it. Evolutionarily - it takes effort and is dangerous having to forage for food - you're exposing yourself to predators. If you don't need to move to stay alive, you're not going to do it because you have to eat more food to sustain any movement - it isn't smart. Regardless of what you think is smart for TODAY, there's an evolutionary hurdle to get over that a few thousand years hasn't quieted yet.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:39 PM
 
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You're not a real research psychologist, are you? I guess you didn't understand my reference....too psychological for you? I was hoping you'd be more knowledgable in that discipline than you are in matters of biology and human physiology.

You can't even comment on it....just stop and think about it. Evolutionarily - it takes effort and is dangerous having to forage for food - you're exposing yourself to predators. If you don't need to move to stay alive, you're not going to do it because you have to eat more food to sustain any movement - it isn't smart. Regardless of what you think is smart for TODAY, there's an evolutionary hurdle to get over that a few thousand years hasn't quieted yet.
Explain why people dance, in just about all cultures ever observed.

Explain why dancing, and many other forms of exercise, make people feel good. Why does exercise raise endorphin levels, if we are supposed to avoid it?

Explain why dogs love to run at the dog park.

You haven't even tried to explain any of those obvious examples.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:16 PM
 
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Explain why people dance, in just about all cultures ever observed.

Explain why dancing, and many other forms of exercise, make people feel good. Why does exercise raise endorphin levels, if we are supposed to avoid it?

Explain why dogs love to run at the dog park.

You haven't even tried to explain any of those obvious examples.
Explain why the majority of people would rather sit on their behinds rather than exercise...

Who ever said "people are supposed to avoid exercise"? Other than you?

Explain why dogs would rather sleep all day if given the option?

You haven't even tried to explain any of these much more obvious and more common example
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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Explain why the majority of people would rather sit on their behinds rather than exercise...

Who ever said "people are supposed to avoid exercise"? Other than you?

Explain why dogs would rather sleep all day if given the option?

You haven't even tried to explain any of these much more obvious and more common example
As I said already, depending on various factors people, and other animals, want to move, or don't want to move.

And, as I said already, depending on various factors people would rather use their minds, or would rather not use their minds.

This is should be the end of the silliness.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:44 PM
 
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Would you say that people don't like to use their minds, just because we may avoid mental effort?

A big 'ol honking "yes!"
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