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Old 10-16-2018, 05:24 AM
 
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I have a feeling if you were to ask your doctor or almost any doctor you would get a different answer. Who knows who the researchers are, but I have always felt these studies are set up to prove a point. I am not saying all studies are phony, they are often how we learn or the doctor's learn, but ones like this are not to be taken too seriously in my opinion.
Why should this study not be taken seriously??

Is there anything contained in the summary that ISN'T factual??

Did you actually READ and UNDERSTAND the link which clearly the OP did not??

There is nothing in the Web MD link posted that is even remotely controversial if you actually read it....
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Your doctor knows when you say "a couple of beers every other night" that you are using fuzzy math.
a couple can mean something different to each of us: When someone says a couple, I am guessing it is closer to 3 or 4, but who is counting.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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It would help if you actually read the article you posted.

"Alcohol was found to be the most harmful drug to society and the fourth most harmful drug to users." Granted there are more alcohol users than heroin, you could say alcohol is more harmful to society. It is also referring to alcohol abuse, not a few beers every other night. Again, read the article.
Thanks, this is why I always say, take studies and articles with a grain of salt. researchers put into a study what they want and readers get out of those studies what they want. Too often they do not read between the line or take into account number.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I wonder if that would be as much of the case if they had regular access to pure heroin at a known concentration? Like how you can buy alcohol with the proof right on the label, and that you can rely on not being contaminated with adulterants like methanol.
What comments like that and comments about the dangers are not being considered is: people use Herion and similar drugs are used for the simple purpose of getting high: the average drinker does not drink sole to get drunk. There is a huge difference between the two.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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Thanks, this is why I always say, take studies and articles with a grain of salt. researchers put into a study what they want and readers get out of those studies what they want. Too often they do not read between the line or take into account number.
Headlines grab attention, people interpret them as fact without reading the whole article.

I knew a guy that enjoyed hookers (like spent his whole paycheck on one night). He was convinced that AIDS was only a gay disease and since he didn't patronize "street walkers, crack heads" then he was just getting clean escorts. I was stunned at some of his exploits.

He loved to quote an 80's headline on how AIDS was devouring the gay community! 20 years later he was still quoting old news....
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Old 10-16-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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Whenever I see these kind of things, I kind of cringe internally. Assuming heroin IS not as bad as alchohol, it doesn’t mean that it’s good. The best thing to do if to cut back on fast food, alchohol, cigarettes, marijuana, pain killers etc. or, better yet, to cut them out of your life entirely.
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Old 10-16-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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Agree, but there lies the rub: moderate use of highly addictive substances -- an oxymoron of sorts.


That is where some discipline comes into play.

Logic and reason also.........unbridled hedonism is the ruination of many.
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Old 10-16-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Headlines grab attention, people interpret them as fact without reading the whole article.

I knew a guy that enjoyed hookers (like spent his whole paycheck on one night). He was convinced that AIDS was only a gay disease and since he didn't patronize "street walkers, crack heads" then he was just getting clean escorts. I was stunned at some of his exploits.

He loved to quote an 80's headline on how AIDS was devouring the gay community! 20 years later he was still quoting old news....
Actually the media makes people think heterosexual sex has a high probability of transmitting HIV, when it is actually very rare even if one person has the virus. Its something like 1 in 1000's of getting it from heterosexual sex.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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From a very broad perspective, its probably true. By that I mean, I'm sure heroin is infinitely more dangerous on an individual level. I kind of doubt it has as broad of a societal cost as Alcohol does.

Its easy and I'm sure common enough for someone to drink too much and keep it together on a daily basis (keep their job, keep their finances in order, etc...) All this while their long term health, relationships with their families, marriages, etc, are coming apart at the seams.

Heroin? I can't say I've ever met a "functioning" heroin addict, or a casual user.
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Old 10-16-2018, 02:55 PM
 
Location: In Miami but, Inside the Resistance !!
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Alcohol more harmful than Heroin
Maybe true if it's the WRONG alcohol, and there is that in this world .....

I am 68 yrs old, never, ever done drugs in me life. Never smoked cigarretes. But a wine and beer drinker since my teen years. No hard Spirits either, once in a blue moon a Bloody Mary or a Vodka and Cranberry, and that's it.

Grandfather who lived to be 96, used to tell me and cousins "to stay away from hard liquors (The wrong alcohol) and drugs, enjoy wine and beer, and you shall live a long life as I have".

He was right in the money.

You only live once and you can have your likes and fun and move forward as I have.

No health problems here, no addiction, an avid health nut..what else can I say ?????
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