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Old 02-20-2019, 03:46 AM
 
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That's hilarious. You like extremes, don't you?
It is said that to prove an argument you have to take it to the extreme.
What you do does not work well.
I’m not bringing anything to extremes. I am responding to posters stating they have no problem with medicinal use but disapprove of recreational use. That makes use for fun over the line for these posters, which is exactly what my post referenced. If it’s needed it’s fine, if you just want want to enjoy it, apparently not.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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I’m not bringing anything to extremes. I am responding to posters stating they have no problem with medicinal use but disapprove of recreational use. That makes use for fun over the line for these posters, which is exactly what my post referenced. If it’s needed it’s fine, if you just want want to enjoy it, apparently not.
Ultimately, those that are against marijuana legalization for recreational purposes, are (by default) in support of the drug cartels and criminal organizations, Legalization brings Govt regulation and taxes...obviously they prefer the way it is now, the criminals making all the rules and money.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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Ultimately, those that are against marijuana legalization for recreational purposes, are (by default) in support of the drug cartels and criminal organizations, Legalization brings Govt regulation and taxes...obviously they prefer the way it is now, the criminals making all the rules and money.
There seems to be a lingering belief that having it illegal makes it hard to get or keeps it out of the hands of kids. Truthfully, it is much harder to find a supplier in your 50's than it was when we were 15. Kids are the ones who have the most access when it's illegal, any middle school kid can tell you who to talk to.


I have long thought we could solve many budget problems by legalizing and taxing not just pot, but prostitution too. Billions and billions going to "end" practices that no one has been able to make a dent in in 2000 years. Keeping them illegal really just lines the pockets of law enforcement industry and hurts the victims, whether by sex trafficking or crimes brought by cartels. But still that old Puritanical attitude that anything enjoyable must be sinful keeps us stuck in "wars" we'll never win.


That's the joke about the "caravans" of people coming from Central America escaping the cartels and we act like it has nothing to do with us. It is us who ruined their countries and handed them to the drug cartels, because Americans are far and away their biggest customers. I don't know why anyone thinks it's better to keep giving them the money than a couple of northern California hippies with a home equity loan and a dream.


Cartels own much more than drugs now, too. They have also apparently taken over (by force) many Avocado farms in Mexico and are now one of the largest importers of Avocados. There's a show called Adam Ruins Everything, where the host exposes the truth about many issues (thus "ruining" them for the viewer) who had a segment on it (below). He said pretty much every time you buy an Avocado that's not domestic, you're supporting a cartel.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...YHwbC3xZTD5Ay6
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:22 PM
 
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Cartels own much more than drugs now, too. They have also apparently taken over (by force) many Avocado farms in Mexico and are now one of the largest importers of Avocados. There's a show called Adam Ruins Everything, where the host exposes the truth about many issues (thus "ruining" them for the viewer) who had a segment on it (below). He said pretty much every time you buy an Avocado that's not domestic, you're supporting a cartel.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...YHwbC3xZTD5Ay6
I hope things have changed.

According to this article from December 2018, eighty percent of avocados consumed in the U.S. come from Mexico, the majority from the small mountain town of Tancitaro.

In late 2013, Tancitaro's residents said they had enough. And like many towns throughout Michoacan, they took up arms, forming self-defense groups to drive the gangs out. Tancitaro went a step further and built a solid police force. Many on the force themselves have worked for their family avocado businesses. Many were long extorted by gangs.

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...s-off-the-farm
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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I hope things have changed.

According to this article from December 2018, eighty percent of avocados consumed in the U.S. come from Mexico, the majority from the small mountain town of Tancitaro.

In late 2013, Tancitaro's residents said they had enough. And like many towns throughout Michoacan, they took up arms, forming self-defense groups to drive the gangs out. Tancitaro went a step further and built a solid police force. Many on the force themselves have worked for their family avocado businesses. Many were long extorted by gangs.

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...s-off-the-farm
That’s awesome to hear, I hope they have continued success. It is not an easy battle, those cartels have higher quality weapons in the military and police forces combined, and they have actually taken over many of the towns and run some of the towns in Mexico now. It’s truly terrible I’m glad they’re fighting back. I wonder why we spend all our money just building barriers and thinking of ways to keep them from coming over, rather than helping them to help themselves. No one wants to leave their home country, if they were safe and they could make a living they would stay. We arm and help everyone else why not them? Again, especially since we are by far the largest consumer of apparently every product the cartel trades in!
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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Look, to be honest, I don't care if it's legal or not. It's a misdemeanor to buy or smoke a small amount for personal use, so if I want to do that, well, I just will. Or if it's legal, well, I'd still just buy a small amount so there's that. It's not a problem to me one way or the other.

That being said, I think it's more dangerous - as it stands right now - than some people think. For starters, you really don't know what is in whatever you buy from wherever (unless it's prescription - then, well I'm assuming that it's more quality controlled). It's unfiltered - and you're smoking it. Wow.

And then, well, sorry, but there IS quite a bit of evidence that smoking weed regularly during the teen years can cause or exacerbate serious mental health issues. So there's that.

And don't even get me started on driving while under the influence.

Interesting reading:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/le...abis-colorado/

But to be clear, I really don't care what consenting ADULTS do as long as their actions don't negatively impact others.
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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Look, to be honest, I don't care if it's legal or not. It's a misdemeanor to buy or smoke a small amount for personal use, so if I want to do that, well, I just will. Or if it's legal, well, I'd still just buy a small amount so there's that. It's not a problem to me one way or the other.

That being said, I think it's more dangerous - as it stands right now - than some people think. For starters, you really don't know what is in whatever you buy from wherever (unless it's prescription - then, well I'm assuming that it's more quality controlled). It's unfiltered - and you're smoking it. Wow.

And then, well, sorry, but there IS quite a bit of evidence that smoking weed regularly during the teen years can cause or exacerbate serious mental health issues. So there's that.

And don't even get me started on driving while under the influence.

Interesting reading:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/le...abis-colorado/

But to be clear, I really don't care what consenting ADULTS do as long as their actions don't negatively impact others.
I agree. My understanding is that strains are getting stronger and no one really knows what they are smoking—and yet the purpose is to “alter” your brain/mood. So basically people are altering their brain with god knows what.

There was a guy who went berserk on a Delta flight, hitting people over the head with bottles and trying to open the door midair— and his defense was that he had ingested 3 marijuana candies to relax on the overseas flight. If that’s true, who knows what that stuff was laced with.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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I agree. My understanding is that strains are getting stronger and no one really knows what they are smoking—and yet the purpose is to “alter” your brain/mood. So basically people are altering their brain with god knows what.

There was a guy who went berserk on a Delta flight, hitting people over the head with bottles and trying to open the door midair— and his defense was that he had ingested 3 marijuana candies to relax on the overseas flight. If that’s true, who knows what that stuff was laced with.
If you buy from a dispensary you know pretty much exactly what you are getting, strength, strain.....

The guy that took the candies should have known the exact amount he was ingesting. Taking 3 if he does not regularly take marijuana would be stupid, taking it if he does not know how it affects him is stupid, and if you are already in a situation that makes you anxious..... stupid.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marij...ness-violence/

Also read his book Tell Your Children
As long as employers continue to drug test applicants, that's all the proof you need right there to not use it.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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As long as employers continue to drug test applicants, that's all the proof you need right there to not use it.
How so?

Someone can test positive for THC even if they haven't used in a month.
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