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Old 09-01-2019, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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And then there are the doc's who make no money from those who do not test and from those who do not end up with cancer(s). And these are many.

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Old 09-01-2019, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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And then there are the doc's who make no money from those who do not test and from those who do not end up with cancer(s). And these are many.
Not testing at all misses everyone who could be helped by early diagnosis.
 
Old 09-01-2019, 10:29 PM
 
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Not testing at all misses everyone who could be helped by early diagnosis.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old 09-01-2019, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Not testing at all misses everyone who could be helped by early diagnosis.
People do what they will, as will I. And so many talk like so many will end up with dread diseases. Not true.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 12:09 AM
 
Location: California
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I've always done every screening the insurance companies pay for and that's why I had a colonoscopy right after my 50th BD. The Dr said he doesn't see many woman that young coming in voluntarily if they don't have any symptoms! I'm just want to get my monies worth from these monthly payments. I had another one with I turned 60 and 3 small, benign polyps were found. I'll go back when I'm 65 because that's what my Dr recommends now, and what my insurance will pay for. I've always been proactive about medical and dental stuff.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 03:11 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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There is such a thing as mammography induced breast cancer and it is something to consider. See here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4878445/
Well, that bothers me...and I don't like the idea of "false positives"...that's all I would need to add excess or unnecessary stress to my life.

A while back I ended up in the hospital (only overnight) for Diverticulitis, after having pain for a while, and one test they tossed at me was a vaginal exam with an electrical device! Yeah... After back home and having been on a couple of medications for the D., not only end up with a yeast infection, BUT began having the feeling of a Urinary Tract infection for a while, needing to see a Urologist.

The first guy I saw said I "had no infection and to come back when I actually had one". I waited, going through more pain and urgency symptoms of a UTI, with no help for. I then waited to see a Female associated with the same organization after that (not really liking her manner), BUT, the funny thing was that after she examined me vaginally, the regular way, and having plans to return for other tests to rule things out... I realized after I returned home that I felt absolutely back to normal. UTI "symptoms" were gone.

I gave it time to be sure, then called the Dr. explaining the situation. I asked her about having had that vaginal exam with the device in the hospital, wondering if it had somehow generated the false UTI symptoms. She didn't know..but I told her that I felt by her manually examining, something had been "reset", that she had "worked her magic"....Well, we both had a good laugh..but telling me to return if having any issues, which I did not.

Anyway, I don't want / need to go through this sort of thing. It's bad enough to need tests when actually experiencing a problem.

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Old 09-02-2019, 04:24 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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I'm with you on this. I know much more than I ever wanted to know about these so-called preventive tests. I just don't do them. And I am perfectly fine. My motto is: avoid doctors like the plague. All they ever want to do is tests, and prescribe boat loads of toxic medications. I refuse them all.
Well, I don't like it either...I have gotten by and the last Physician I saw in the past 14 months who did some routine testing, found that I was only in more need of vitamin D. I have only been on two medications to control asthma and pre-glaucoma eyedrops, for some time. I have been taking vitamins for years, so it may be helping me, but not as fit as I should be either...and in late 60's.

As I will be having to establish a new physician (mostly only seeing certain specialists for years), they will surely be putting me through something and telling me to have "other tests", which I have not been doing for a while, but will do so when or if I sense it is necessary. I know pre-testing is what was established to be done, but it seems that if there was not so much automatic testing going on, there could be $$$ to go around for those truly in need of care.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 04:51 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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People do what they will, as will I. And so many talk like so many will end up with dread diseases. Not true.
And that can't be stressed enough. Chances are very slim that obsessive testing is going to find a real problem in a person young enough for it to matter much to overall long-term life quality. Much more likely that testing will lead to even more unnecessary invasions of privacy, invasive procedures, and risk. There are far too many (one is too many) cases of perfectly healthy people who submit to testing, leading to more procedures, leading to major surgery, and they're dead 3 months later.

Most serious problems found by testing are in people already in their twilight years. One way or another, they haven't a whole lot of time left. And that being the case, it is far from simple and settled that life quality is advanced by surrendering yourself to a system that will soon leave you bankrupt of dignity and your last penny. Nope....not for me....ever.

The notion suggested previously that testing throughout your life is going to save you money is laughable on its face. To some degree, the system is gonna soak you at the end....only those who die suddenly and unexpectedly have any way around that. And the system is gonna soak you whether or not you've ever had a single previous test. So the only choice we have is whether to add 40 or 50 years of soaking to the inevitable soaking at the end. Which, do you suppose, totals more $$?

I remain convinced, as I have been all my life, that refusing to let the "health care" system get their hooks into you, while educating yourself with the vast information at our fingertips today, is the best thing you can do for your long-term health and well-being.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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And that can't be stressed enough. Chances are very slim that obsessive testing is going to find a real problem in a person young enough for it to matter much to overall long-term life quality. Much more likely that testing will lead to even more unnecessary invasions of privacy, invasive procedures, and risk. There are far too many (one is too many) cases of perfectly healthy people who submit to testing, leading to more procedures, leading to major surgery, and they're dead 3 months later.

Most serious problems found by testing are in people already in their twilight years. One way or another, they haven't a whole lot of time left. And that being the case, it is far from simple and settled that life quality is advanced by surrendering yourself to a system that will soon leave you bankrupt of dignity and your last penny. Nope....not for me....ever.

The notion suggested previously that testing throughout your life is going to save you money is laughable on its face. To some degree, the system is gonna soak you at the end....only those who die suddenly and unexpectedly have any way around that. And the system is gonna soak you whether or not you've ever had a single previous test. So the only choice we have is whether to add 40 or 50 years of soaking to the inevitable soaking at the end. Which, do you suppose, totals more $$?

I remain convinced, as I have been all my life, that refusing to let the "health care" system get their hooks into you, while educating yourself with the vast information at our fingertips today, is the best thing you can do for your long-term health and well-being.
Quality of Life versus Quantity of Life, especially in the elderly. My close elderly relatives in the their 60's and 70's choose the former over the latter. I agree with that. To quote my Mom in her Advanced Directive, "I do not wish to become a Vegetable so the Medical Profession can see how long they can keep me alive". "Let me go when it is my time to go". It pained me as her Health Proxy but I followed Mom's wishes. I want my children to do the same for me, whenever that time is. Tomorrow or 20 years from now.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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I remain convinced, as I have been all my life, that refusing to let the "health care" system get their hooks into you, while educating yourself with the vast information at our fingertips today, is the best thing you can do for your long-term health and well-being.
My dear mother used to say, "Never let them scan your body or they'll find all kinds of things you never knew were wrong". I managed to avoid scans till I got extra testing for increased breast cancer risk (family history). I was VERY happy they didn't find anything, BC-related or otherwise.

I had my first colonoscopy when I was maybe 53. I was a skeptic but my GYN gave me a "poop test" kit and the result came back positive. That was enough to convince me that I needed a colonoscopy even though it's only an indication that there might be a problem. They found one nasty that might have become cancerous by now (13 years later) if it had been left alone. I understand the risk of the test but now I'm a believer. (Subsequent tests have found a few harmless polyps, which were removed.)

Yesterday my son's FIL, a wonderful teddy bear of a man who's been a good father figure to DS, had a cancerous growth removed from his colon. I'm guessing he's in his early 60s. I don't know how bad it is but he's in for radiation and maybe chemo. I'll continue getting that test as recommended, thank you!
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