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Old 10-19-2019, 02:52 PM
 
Location: The 719
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My blood pressure when up to 234/100 the hospital ER said and all tests came back after normsl.
John, don't mess around.

My doc told me high bp is one of the most preventable deadly afflictions out there. Take the 20 mg daily if that's what you need and buy one of these and use it daily if you need...



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Old 10-19-2019, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I just read this thread and I've been working at keeping BP in a good place for probably 20 yrs or so and I'm 81.. And I believe taking antioxidants like Vit C and Grape Seed Extract as I do keep healthy circulation and clean blood. And you can find info to this affect. But I read where one takes a blood thinner drug so can't take them all. Right, I'm no doc but even the docs don't have the answers and most probably don't mention the antioxidants.
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Old 10-20-2019, 01:58 PM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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This is more or less what I have, it works and it works well, just as accurate as the one in the doctors office if used correctly.

It costs $19 and is the type that works on the upper arm, wrist monitors are not accurate IMO and I wouldn't recommend.

https://www.amazon.com/NURSAL-Indica.../dp/B07FSJ3GDJ
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Old 10-20-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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That's the exact advice my doctor gave me and anybody with any brains could figure that out. He also said you could cut the dose in half if needed. Do you live with your doctor 24 hours a day? Does he monitor your BP constantly? The answer is NO. If you care about your health you do it yourself especially with something like blood pressure which doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out. What would be the danger? That his BP goes too low? His problem is HIGH blood pressure, he is not going low if he first posted this:



With that number, he's lucky he didn't have a stroke.

As for me being a doctor, do you see any doctors here? He is asking complete strangers, nobody is pretending to be a doctor here.

In addition, there is a disclaimer on the main page of this forum. This is what it says in case you missed it.
The fact that you DON'T KNOW what the danger would be from aggressively lowering BP would be is exactly why you shouldn't be giving people advice to "double up" on their BP medication on their own

I already gave you examples of what could happen including potentially fatal stroke in someone with pre existing carotid or cerebral artery disease.....

I didn't miss the disclaimer but apparently you did....no one BUT YOU on this thread gave potentially dangerous advice regarding medication administration without medical supervision or oversight...
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:53 PM
 
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A blood pressure of 234/100 can cause a stroke, kidney damage resulting in kidney failure, and a variety of organ damage throughout the body. They should have kept you in the hospital until they got your blood pressure down to a more reasonable level.
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:58 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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The fact that you DON'T KNOW what the danger would be from aggressively lowering BP would be is exactly why you shouldn't be giving people advice to "double up" on their BP medication on their own

I already gave you examples of what could happen including potentially fatal stroke in someone with pre existing carotid or cerebral artery disease.....

I didn't miss the disclaimer but apparently you did....no one BUT YOU on this thread gave potentially dangerous advice regarding medication administration without medical supervision or oversight...
Who made you the forum police?

The disclaimer is there for a reason. I repeat, the OP is asking complete strangers for advice and feedback. It's up to him to follow the advice in the disclaimer. I take the same exact medication, there is no danger. Now you're getting into cerebral artery disease? That's quite an assumption, when you know NOTHING of his condition.

He stated he had DANGEROUSLY high blood pressure, that is what I was responding to, nothing else. Anybody else would go to the doctor, he didn't do that. He chose to come here and ask. It's also up to him to ignore my advice. I think he's smart enough to do that.

Lisinopril is made in 10mg, 20mg and 40mg. The OP is taking the 20mg. Taking two of the 20mg is the same as taking one of the 40mg. They make the 40mg for a reason, for people that need more of the drug. How would you know if you need more? You test your BP and if it's not low enough, guess what? You need more. This isn't rocket science and high BP is an immediate danger, it needs to be corrected ASAP. I've been taking this medication for over a decade, I am well familiar with it.

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Old 10-21-2019, 12:11 PM
 
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Who made you the forum police?

The disclaimer is there for a reason. I repeat, the OP is asking complete strangers for advice and feedback. It's up to him to follow the advice in the disclaimer. I take the same exact medication, there is no danger. Now you're getting into cerebral artery disease? That's quite an assumption, when you know NOTHING of his condition.

He stated he had DANGEROUSLY high blood pressure, that is what I was responding to, nothing else. Anybody else would go to the doctor, he didn't do that. He chose to come here and ask. It's also up to him to ignore my advice. I think he's smart enough to do that.

Lisinopril is made in 10mg, 20mg and 40mg. The OP is taking the 20mg. Taking two of the 20mg is the same as taking one of the 40mg. They make the 40mg for a reason, for people that need more of the drug. How would you know if you need more? You test your BP and if it's not low enough, guess what? You need more. This isn't rocket science and high BP is an immediate danger, it needs to be corrected ASAP. I've been taking this medication for over a decade, I am well familiar with it.

That isn't how it works, actually....you go to medical school, pass your boards, do your residency, then do an examination of the patient, take the patient's current and past medical history, family history, list of medications and doses, talk to the patient, get labs and read them, refer to your training, use your knowledge of the different types of BP medications to adjust the dose, add a medication, or change the medication altogether, then arrange a followup appointment to check the patient's progress, and consult a specialist if necessary.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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That isn't how it works, actually....you go to medical school, pass your boards, do your residency, then do an examination of the patient, take the patient's current and past medical history, family history, list of medications and doses, talk to the patient, get labs and read them, refer to your training, use your knowledge of the different types of BP medications to adjust the dose, add a medication, or change the medication altogether, then arrange a followup appointment to check the patient's progress, and consult a specialist if necessary.
Yeah and in the mean time, you have stroke! It's not that complicated. Oh, yeah I'm dying over here, let me make you an appointment for next week. Give me a break already.

They already gave him THAT medication, it's the amount that may need adjusting, that's common sense and exactly what any doctor would do. If that one did not work, regardless of the dose, they would switch him to something else. He already stated that it did work but to what degree is the question. Did you miss that part?

Let me remind you of the number. 234/100. Either the machine is broke or it's a miracle he did not have a stroke.
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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Who made you the forum police?

The disclaimer is there for a reason. I repeat, the OP is asking complete strangers for advice and feedback. It's up to him to follow the advice in the disclaimer. I take the same exact medication, there is no danger. Now you're getting into cerebral artery disease? That's quite an assumption, when you know NOTHING of his condition.

He stated he had DANGEROUSLY high blood pressure, that is what I was responding to, nothing else. Anybody else would go to the doctor, he didn't do that. He chose to come here and ask. It's also up to him to ignore my advice. I think he's smart enough to do that.

Lisinopril is made in 10mg, 20mg and 40mg. The OP is taking the 20mg. Taking two of the 20mg is the same as taking one of the 40mg. They make the 40mg for a reason, for people that need more of the drug. How would you know if you need more? You test your BP and if it's not low enough, guess what? You need more. This isn't rocket science and high BP is an immediate danger, it needs to be corrected ASAP. I've been taking this medication for over a decade, I am well familiar with it.
You just don't get it do you....

YOU are the only one who made "assumptions" ie that it would be SAFE to double the prescribed amount of a medication when YOU don't know anything about this poster's health history....becuause it works safely for YOU to take a certain dosage doesn't mean it is safe for EVERYONE to take the same dosage...

Kind of why medications come in different strengths...

YOU also made assumptions about whether someone would ignore your advice or not based on what, that there is a disclaimer buried on this website somewhere?????

Seriously dude, I treat patients every day and there are other medical providers here who post as well, one thing you will NEVER see any of us do is give specific medical instructions particularly on dosing of medications....that would be a serious breach and irresponsible beyond belief

But you think it is OK for you to give prescribing instructions because it isn't "rocket science"???

The problem is you don't know what you don't know.....

There ARE risks to suddenly lowering BP in the elderly, you don't seem to understand that.....
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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Did you miss that part?
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Did you miss the part where you aren't the poster's doctor? Leave the prescribing and patient care to the professionals.
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