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Old 04-21-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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So FAR: Covid Deaths Exceed Flu Deaths in 7 years of the Last Decade
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:58 PM
 
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3 days later, the new title should now be:


So FAR: Covid Deaths Exceed Flu Deaths in 8 years of the Last Decade

Of course, we don't have this year's flu numbers. But Covid deaths are about to surpass flu deaths for the past decade. That much is clear. So the "no worse than the flu" comment no longer has meaning. Also keeping in mind that the #1 killer in the USA for the past 1.5 months is covid: https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/ beating out cancer, heart disease, etc.


Again mentioning:

1. Covid numbers are WITH social distancing.


2. Flu number are WITHOUT social distancing.


3. The flu has comorbidity too...which I haven't seen mentioned in all these arguments about "other illnesses/being old"/cancer/heart disease, etc)
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Old 04-24-2020, 01:19 PM
 
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They'll just move the goal posts now, Susan. "They're overcounting! 1957 was worse! It hasn't passed the WORLD TOTAL yet!"



Not sure what the goal is - as you pointed out - by any way that can be measured - it is worse than the flu.
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Old 04-24-2020, 02:09 PM
 
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yep. Flip this, move that...no longer acknowledge this...that. *sigh*.
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Old 04-24-2020, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...019-vs-the-flu

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COVID-19: Approximately 191,231 deaths reported worldwide; 49,963 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 24, 2020.*

Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
You have to take into account that we don't test for the flu as we are now doing for COVID-19. Also, according to medical reports from Sweden, COVID-19 is still lagging the flu in relation to deaths. The problem is that the US news media aren't reporting thorough data as the ones in the one below, just fear-instilling news that has already turned political:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/swiss-...vid-19/5707642

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Old 04-24-2020, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Yadaa.at Kale
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With this info from CDC it is difficult to tickle out exactly what is cause of death due to comorbidities. (First table, especially) The percent deaths expected is an interesting column. One would expect the number to be over 100, perhaps well over 100, with an unusually lethal disease circulating. Indeed, it is a bit over 100 for past few weeks reported.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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Old 04-24-2020, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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With this info from CDC it is difficult to tickle out exactly what is cause of death due to comorbidities. (First table, especially) The percent deaths expected is an interesting column. One would expect the number to be over 100, perhaps well over 100, with an unusually lethal disease circulating. Indeed, it is a bit over 100 for past few weeks reported.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
You are right about being quite difficult to tell what the deaths are attributed to. If you read the report from Sweden and other European nations I posted above, their data is being thoroughly analyzed and reported. Not only that, but Sweden, Japan, and a few other countries are using more relaxed rules, and allowing their respective workforces to continue working.

The data from the CDC is very hard to interpret.
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Old 04-24-2020, 09:23 PM
 
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There's some more now.
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Old 04-25-2020, 07:33 AM
 
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Pennsylvania officials admitted they have been counting "probable" (not confirmed) deaths as COVID. Are they the only ones who have done this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pa...cid=spartandhp
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Old 04-25-2020, 08:27 AM
 
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Of course they're not the only ones. If you have symptoms, you're being treated, you're found dead, and we're in a Pandemic - there's a good chance you died of COVID. PA adjusted their numbers - once - by about 200 people. Of those 200 - they are ALL probably. I think it's safe to say that at least SOME Of them did, in fact, die of COVID - since they meet the conditions above. They just weren't given a test. Yet. In a month - when that test happens - and the numbers take a one time jump back up - i'm certain some folks will just say it again: "OH LOOK!! MANIPULATION!!"


It's not a conspiracy, people. It's just logistics, paperwork, policies and biology. The guy with the swab is not "johnny on the spot" at the moment of death, nor are the results immediately available. And - it doesn't matter much to THAT guy.


He's dead.
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