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Old 05-02-2020, 05:50 PM
 
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OH - so you're "bothered" that this link at the CDC:


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ses-in-us.html


right this very second shows 64283 deaths - and then THIS link which is ALSO at the CDC:



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


at this very second shows 37308? Those are the links in the tweet above, right?


They're always different. They've been different for several weeks. No secret. No scam. No "sudden adjustments."


Why? Well - the answers are there - in the notes. You said you read all the notes, so no farther explanation from me is going to help.


HINT for everyone else - one uses death certificates reported in a system that takes weeks or months, the other uses a data base which is immediate. Wanna guess which one's always slower and thus lower?
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Old 05-02-2020, 09:18 PM
 
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Sigh.

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Old 05-04-2020, 02:13 PM
 
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Now, with over 69,056 dead, Covid has doubled, tripled and in one case killed more than 5x the number of people that the flu has (seasonally) in the last decade:

Flu Year.......Flu Deaths ....X............. Covid (in just over 2 months...not a season): 69056


2018/2019.... 34200 ...... x2 = 68400 ....... Double (over twice as much actually: 69056)

2015/2016 ....23000 ...... x3 = 69000 ...... Triple (over triple actually: 69056)

2011/2012.....12000 ...... x5 = 60000....... Quintuple (over quintuple actually: 69056)

There are 3 more years with flu deaths (when doubled) are in the 70k range. It's sad to say that Covid-19 will have claimed double those year's flu deaths soon.

The thread title is now much less meaningful than it was, as we are now into multiples of covid deaths compared to flu deaths.

Last edited by crusinsusan; 05-04-2020 at 03:10 PM..
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Old 05-07-2020, 09:48 AM
 
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We now have more than double the deaths of another flu season:

.................................................. ..............Covid 74347.

2010/2011.... 37000......x2= 74000

Thus, as of now, Covid has killed double, triple and quintuple the number of people in 4 flu seasons of the past decade.

I can't find anyone calling this pandemic "no worse" than the flu anymore.

And now 64 children are hospitalized in NY with mysterious symptoms possibly related to Covid https://www.city-data.com/forum/heal...lness-may.html
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:04 PM
 
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The OP was posted less than 3 weeks ago, and now the title should read:

So FAR: Covid Deaths Have At Least Doubled The Number of Flu Deaths for 6 Years Of The Last Decade

(In just 19 days from the start of this thread)

Covid has now killed more than double the flu deaths in two more years: 76516

2013/2014 ..X2 = 38000.....76000

2016/2017...X2 = 38000.....76000

86k, 102k, and 122k are the doubled figures for the last remaining 3 years. Logical reasoning says we'll get there faster because we're opening up. We got to today fast with social distancing (which the flu never had).

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Old 05-07-2020, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The sky is falling!

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...019-vs-the-flu
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COVID-19: The first cases appeared in China in late 2019 and the first confirmed case in the United States appeared in January 2020.

Approximately 3,769,150 cases have been confirmed worldwide. There have been 1,228,609 cases in the U.S. as of May 7, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 1 billion people worldwide get the flu every year.

In the U.S., for Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that there were 39 million to 56 million cases of flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)
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COVID-19: There have been approximately 264,111 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 73,431 people have died of COVID-19, as of May 7, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

In the U.S., from Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that 24,000 to 62,000 people died from the flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher than that of most strains of the flu.

*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.
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Old 05-08-2020, 10:34 AM
 
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"...The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher than that of most strains of the flu. "


Yep. We agree. It is so much worse than the flu. And the death rate is about to jump.
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Old 05-08-2020, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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"...The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher than that of most strains of the flu. "


Yep. We agree. It is so much worse than the flu. And the death rate is about to jump.
But some people aren't getting sick from it, which indicates they either have a superb immune system, or that they have some immunity to it. Covid-19 is a variant of SARS, and we have had SARS in past years. I know if some people who were in close contact with family members who had Covid-19, and they still didn't contract the virus at home. They did follow the distancing rules at home, but only after their family members tested positive for Covid-19.
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Old 05-08-2020, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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But some people aren't getting sick from it, which indicates they either have a superb immune system, or that they have some immunity to it. Covid-19 is a variant of SARS, and we have had SARS in past years. I know if some people who were in close contact with family members who had Covid-19, and they still didn't contract the virus at home. They did follow the distancing rules at home, but only after their family members tested positive for Covid-19.

Every exposure does not result in infection. The only way to develop immunity is to be infected, in the absence of a vaccine. Some people may be naturally resistant, so they do not get infected at all, but that is one of the unknowns at this point.

SARS did not spread as easily, because there was no long asymptomatic period with it. We in the US were not exposed to it, as there were only about eight cases in the whole country and no community spread.
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Old 05-08-2020, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Every exposure does not result in infection. The only way to develop immunity is to be infected, in the absence of a vaccine. Some people may be naturally resistant, so they do not get infected at all, but that is one of the unknowns at this point.

SARS did not spread as easily, because there was no long asymptomatic period with it. We in the US were not exposed to it, as there were only about eight cases in the whole country and no community spread.
We are doing quite well in Alaska at the moment. But this state is not very populated (somewhere near 800,000 inhabitants). About 24,000 have been tested, and out of those 377 positive. However, 305 have already recovered, and only 10 have died (two of them outside of Alaska). But the ones who died had underlaying medical issues.

https://coronavirus-response-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com
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