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"...The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year;
they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is,
counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts...."
"...To do this, we have to compare counted deaths to counted deaths, not counted deaths to wildly inflated statistical estimates. If we compare, for instance, the number of people who died in the United States from COVID-19 in the second full week of April to the number of people who died from influenza during the worst week of the past seven flu seasons (as reported to the CDC), we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu. In other words, the coronavirus is not anything like the flu: It is much, much worse...."
There are many posters here on CD who complain about Covid deaths being inflated (some even say grossly inflated). They complain that some deaths being reported didn't have an actual Covid test done. And I just shake my head and wonder, "Did you actually think every single flu death was attributed to a positive flu test??" I guess many people don't realize the various ways a doctor determines the cause(s) of death, and they certainly aren't aware of the algorithms used for estimating yearly flu deaths.
Influenza is not a reportable disease, so many cases and deaths do not get reported. If the doctor in the SA article has never seen a flu death he is a terrible diagnostician.
Someone who initially had influenza could test negative for the virus by the time he is hospitalized, even though flu is what initially made him sick and ultimately resulted in his demise.
The CDC estimates actually do begin with data collected from several sites around the country on laboratory confirmed cases and that data is extrapolated to the entire country, and they are called just that: estimates.
... and that data is extrapolated to the entire country, and they are called just that: estimates.
That's the point. Flu numbers are estimates, multiplied by confirmed numbers. Covid-19 deaths are not estimates, nor multiplied by anything.
And while I have no desire to defend a doc who never saw a flu death....the point is that he is the first person I've heard point out that the deaths are estimates. You may have known...but you can bet your bottom dollar that the general public thought they were firm numbers. They're not.
...........................~3.5k to ~16k flu deaths VS. ~65k Covid-19 deaths...................
I don't get what your problem is. Seems like you agree...but are annoyed because....?
That's the point. Flu numbers are estimates, multiplied by confirmed numbers. Covid-19 deaths are not estimates, nor multiplied by anything.
And while I have no desire to defend a doc who never saw a flu death....the point is that he is the first person I've heard point out that the deaths are estimates. You may have known...but you can bet your bottom dollar that the general public thought they were firm numbers. They're not.
...........................~3.5k to ~16k flu deaths VS. ~65k Covid-19 deaths...................
I don't get what your problem is. Seems like you agree...but are annoyed because....?
Even though the flu deaths are estimated that is the best we can do with the data we have, because it is not possible to do a case by case count. Ultimately COVID-19 cases will be estimated, too, because not everyone who died from it has been tested.
That 3,500 to 16,000 flu deaths is not all of them, and the 65,000 COVID-19 deaths is probably not all of them, either.
HOAX! Cuz government!! You can't count! CDC is in someone's pocket! You're russian!
I would have NEVER been sick if chemtrails hadn't dropped 5G all over the flat earth. It's Proof! It's Proof!
(am I on the right trail?)
Susan and Suzy, I have been trying to tell people this for three months - good luck. This virus has brought a stubborn flock to the top of the heap, and, while I ordinarily ignore them, this is literally life and death for some folks. No time for nonsense. I continue to post because I hope that just ONE fence-sitter will fall on the side of reality, and not kill their gramma as a result.
Even though the flu deaths are estimated that is the best we can do with the data we have, because it is not possible to do a case by case count. Ultimately COVID-19 cases will be estimated, too, because not everyone who died from it has been tested.
That 3,500 to 16,000 flu deaths is not all of them, and the 65,000 COVID-19 deaths is probably not all of them, either.
Okay. So we do agree.
Ya. Rood. I posted this because it lays it out pretty clearly...I have to say I didn't know the actual flu numbers were so low. I didn't come across anything about it. But I have not known anyone who died of the flu, but I do know of someone who died of Covid...well, I was suspicious as the doctor was.
The pro-plague people will be here, I'm sure. Making no sense. But as the article states, Covid-19 deaths are somewhere between 9x to 44x more than we currently think. That is, if you want to speak of flu numbers alongside it.
One good number is the week to week death count, published by the CDC, that looks at the number a year ago compared to now. (If you showed ME that link, I apologize!)
That one tends to end a lot of arguments - those "extra" people died of something. So if it wasn't covid, there must be another as yet unidentified epidemic happening.
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