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I happen to think many who assume some are taking it lightly do not realize we are not taking it lightly, we just know there is only so much that we can do and life does go on. this is not the first time we have faced something similar and it will not be the last. Lockdown, for how long, a month, a year, until we have a vaccine that may work or what? How many jobs should we see lost, how many people will not be able to pay their bills and businesses closing and how much do you expect the government to bail us out and leave even more debt for our grand kids and great grand kids. Even it we had done a lock down 3 months ago sooner or later it would have caught up with us.
Truth!
And as far as a vaccine goes, by the time a vaccine is researched, developed, and manufactured it could be 1 to 1 1/2 yrs from when this started. By that time the virus will have mutated many times so that the vaccine will not work.
For the regular flu, every year they guess which flu will be prevalent, and that is the one they put out. If people are going to hide in their homes at the thought of getting sick, what happens when a true national disaster strikes? I can already guess, hide in their homes, and cave to the threat. Remember, most people who get this survive, and then have immunity. Now, people hide, and have NO immunity. We need to toughen up, and stand up for our freedoms while we still have them!
Remember, most people who get this survive, and then have immunity. Now, people hide, and have NO immunity.
That's why it disturbs me when people suggest--not just for themselves, not just for the most vulnerable, but for all of society including children--that ideally we should all become "germophobes" and devote ourselves to wearing masks and sanitizing everything we touch, for the rest of our lives.
This is very BAD advice and will lead to a weaker, sicker population. Children in particular need to be exposed to dirt and germs, to get colds and even the occasional flu, or their immune systems will be worthless.
And as far as a vaccine goes, by the time a vaccine is researched, developed, and manufactured it could be 1 to 1 1/2 yrs from when this started. By that time the virus will have mutated many times so that the vaccine will not work.
This is not true. Yes, it may take some time to develop a vaccine, but this has nowhere near the mutability of influenza viruses according to current data.
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For the regular flu, every year they guess which flu will be prevalent, and that is the one they put out. If people are going to hide in their homes at the thought of getting sick, what happens when a true national disaster strikes? I can already guess, hide in their homes, and cave to the threat. Remember, most people who get this survive, and then have immunity. Now, people hide, and have NO immunity. We need to toughen up, and stand up for our freedoms while we still have them!
Patently ridiculous. This bears little relation to the common flu virus. One should not spout off so much, when one has no idea of what one is talking about.
Your 'freedom' has nothing to do with it. The freedom, of as many other people as possible, to continue to live has *everything* to do with it.
1/3 of the population of the US is likely to suffer significant and potentially life-threatening illness, if extreme measures are not taken. Your cavalier attitude does not speak well of you. I wish I could say what I *really* want to say to you...so imagine something extremely rude, you'll likely not be far wrong.
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That's why it disturbs me when people suggest--not just for themselves, not just for the most vulnerable, but for all of society including children--that ideally we should all become "germophobes" and devote ourselves to wearing masks and sanitizing everything we touch, for the rest of our lives.
This is very BAD advice and will lead to a weaker, sicker population. Children in particular need to be exposed to dirt and germs, to get colds and even the occasional flu, or their immune systems will be worthless.
It is not about becoming 'germophobes', it is about taking reasonable precautions to protect others from *you*.
This is a temporary delaying action, in order to maximize life and minimize death. Your bullscat about children developing immunity to common ailments has no relation to this whatsoever.Your inclusion of this completely irrelevant bit speaks volumes as to your attitude, education and cognizance.
zymer...sanity seems to reign in the covid discusssion and science threads (at least the bits I've read). Reading those can restore your faith in humanity.
It is not about becoming 'germophobes', it is about taking reasonable precautions to protect others from *you*.
This is a temporary delaying action, in order to maximize life and minimize death. Your bullscat about children developing immunity to common ailments has no relation to this whatsoever. Your inclusion of this completely irrelevant bit speaks volumes as to your attitude, education and cognizance.
You aren't doing yourself any favors.
This is YOUR (gratuitously rude) misinterpretation of what I said. I am telling you that I have read posts from more than one person who believes that assiduous sanitizing, mask-wearing during flu season, and germophobia should become the "new normal," to use that distasteful phrase.
That's why it disturbs me when people suggest--not just for themselves, not just for the most vulnerable, but for all of society including children--that ideally we should all become "germophobes" and devote ourselves to wearing masks and sanitizing everything we touch, for the rest of our lives.
This is very BAD advice and will lead to a weaker, sicker population. Children in particular need to be exposed to dirt and germs, to get colds and even the occasional flu, or their immune systems will be worthless.
Very similar to how our granddaughter who is a nurse practitioner feels.
I happen to think many who assume some are taking it lightly do not realize we are not taking it lightly, we just know there is only so much that we can do and life does go on. this is not the first time we have faced something similar and it will not be the last. Lockdown, for how long, a month, a year, until we have a vaccine that may work or what? How many jobs should we see lost, how many people will not be able to pay their bills and businesses closing and how much do you expect the government to bail us out and leave even more debt for our grand kids and great grand kids. Even it we had done a lock down 3 months ago sooner or later it would have caught up with us.
i understand there are NO Good options and I realize that people have to work for a living that is not what I"m refering to but the OPTIONAL/recreational activities which continued unabated for weeks longer than they should have
like socializing in bars , careless attitude of restaurant staff even when picking up takeout, going out in big groups, IMPROPER use of masks in grocery stores, overcrowding in parks etc etc some of this is still happening
Deaths of Vietnam + Afghanistan + Iraq + Sept 11 attacks = less than Covid.
The suicide jumpers from 9/11 were victims of the attack.
The soldier who died in a convoy wreck was a victim of the war.
We can go on and on with this. (And it seems we do. They.....just......won't (can't?)....get it)
The deniers/pro-plaguers are no different than flat landers, holocaust deniers, moon-walk deniers. They'll go down in history as such.
there are good people on both sides of debate , we should not demonize them
since this issue has become politicized people feel forced to pick a side and be loyal to their political allegiances, IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS WAY
we should RATIONALLY analyze this and be prepared to chnage our views if confronted with evidence [ i'm open to it and i work in health care and fully recognize the limitations of medical science] but in situations like this we should err on the side of caution.
Very similar to how our granddaughter who is a nurse practitioner feels.
she needs a refresher in basic health scienceS and microbiology
world population has increased exponentially since 19th century due to advances in medical sciences , before that most kids died before they were 5 and droves of people perished in all kinds of plagues and communicable diseases, do we really want to go back to that era ?
AND immune systems do not develop like that , robust healthy adults in 17th 18th century who had survived all kinds of childhood diseases would die of something as preventable as cholera.So this whole idea that children exposed to germs in childhood will be immune to all kinds of diseases is just quackery.
At the same time we should not make our kids live in a bubble either , my kid swaps buggers with all his friends and I'm sure he is dirtier than my dog I will not run after him with a lysol wipe either.Let kids be kids but not to the point of advocating a sinister form of medical Darwinism
Last edited by Dad01; 05-29-2020 at 10:22 AM..
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