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Old 06-28-2020, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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As someone that has studied the History of medicine and disease, I can tell you that most all germs and virus' are creepy and scary. Did you know your DNA is loaded with horrible diseases like Multiple Sclerosis and Cancer and blindness etc? It is all the (bad) luck of the draw who will actually get MS or Cancer, etc.

When you study bacteria is can be frightening to see how fast those little buggers can grow. Many virus' have the tentacles you mention, more commonly called "spikes." Most big advances in virus study has been made since HIV became known. Yes, a virus has lots of strange and scary things going on sometimes. Just look at the common cold, which has no vaccine because it constantly mutates. Mutation of a virus is scary. Yes indeed. Don't think Covid19 is especially scary in that regard.
The "tentacles" described in the OP are on the infected host cells. They are not the viral spikes. They seem to provide a pathway for the virus to travel to uninfected cells.
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Old 06-28-2020, 08:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Just wondering, did you and your family always go for the annual jabs for seasonal flu?

Did you all also work with supplements to keep your immune systems stronger?
off and on. It's hard to keep up with flu shots. My boy does cross country, daughter water polo and I do tri. We are probably not good examples for the average person as far as immunity because we are workout fiends. All I know is that my wife's deep pocket boss paid for us all to have the testing and we all came up positive. I suspected it after my son was pretty sick.
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Old 06-28-2020, 08:19 PM
 
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https://news.yahoo.com/inside-body-c...150022628.html





Anyone who is still crazy enough to believe that the Coronavirus is "the same as" or "just another" flu NEEDS TO READ THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE
very interesting article
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:00 PM
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The "tentacles" described in the OP are on the infected host cells. They are not the viral spikes. They seem to provide a pathway for the virus to travel to uninfected cells.
OK, the virus spore. Most virus spores are similar. They all tend to look like pollen, or those sticker things that come off certain plants and attach to your clothing or skin. Yes, that is how it spreads. Very efficient.
Covid19 spores are nothing remarkable compared to other virus spores. They are impressive how efficient they are for spreading, but they are rather typical for virus spores of any type. And remember, it takes quite a large number of those spores to be inhaled to make a person sick. One spore will not make you sick...
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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There are no toxins in vaccines and vaccines do not "weaken" the immune system. The idea that children get too many vaccines is false.

An immune system that is too "strong" can kill someone with COVID-19.

"Dr." Murray is a naturopath. He sells books. He is not a medical doctor or immunologist.



Having flu vaccine does not increase the risk of getting COVID-19.

https://www.healio.com/news/infectio...-coronaviruses

"'Influenza vaccination did not increase the risk for illness due to seasonal coronaviruses,' Skowronski said. 'These findings were robust across multiple NIRV [non influenza respiratory viruses] outcomes and sensitivity analyses.'

Findings from the current study demonstrate that influenza vaccination will not negatively affect one’s risk for COVID-19
, she continued.

'Addressing such speculation is important to maintain influenza vaccine coverage through the COVID-19 pandemic, which expected to extend into the 2020-2021 influenza season in the northern hemisphere,' Skowrowski said. 'In particular, influenza vaccination will reduce the risk of febrile cough illness due to influenza viruses and alleviate some of the seasonal health care burden during periods that influenza and NIRV, including SARS-CoV-2, cocirculate.'”

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/no...k-of-covid-19/

Unless you can provide a peer reviewed study that shows that having a flu shot increases the risk of COVID-19, please stop claiming that it does.
Quoted to fix link
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:18 PM
 
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Yes, the number who have been critically ill and the number who have died are nightmarish.

Suzy, I can't rep you yet


There are people here who will never get it!
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:26 PM
 
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How does getting the flu shot figure into things? I always get it.

And, it doesn't!


We should all get our flu shots this year as usual. When the vaccine for COVID comes out, get it also. I'll sure get mine as soon as it's available
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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OK, the virus spore. Most virus spores are similar. They all tend to look like pollen, or those sticker things that come off certain plants and attach to your clothing or skin. Yes, that is how it spreads. Very efficient.
Covid19 spores are nothing remarkable compared to other virus spores. They are impressive how efficient they are for spreading, but they are rather typical for virus spores of any type. And remember, it takes quite a large number of those spores to be inhaled to make a person sick. One spore will not make you sick...
The "tentacles" being discussed are not on the virus itself. They are not the "spikes" on the viral particle at all. The tentacles are on the human cells that have been infected by the virus.

Viruses are usually referred to as particles, not spores.

https://microbiologyonline.org/index...crobes/viruses

https://www.quora.com/Can-viruses-produce-spores

The number of particles needed to cause infection varies with the specific virus. For smallpox, it may be as low as one.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...67600400900302

The minimal number of SARS-CoV-2 particles to cause infection is not yet known, but since it spreads easily with relatively casual contact it is probably small.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:48 PM
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The "tentacles" being discussed are not on the virus itself. They are not the "spikes" on the viral particle at all. The tentacles are on the human cells that have been infected by the virus.

Viruses are usually referred to as particles, not spores.

https://microbiologyonline.org/index...crobes/viruses

https://www.quora.com/Can-viruses-produce-spores

The number of particles needed to cause infection varies with the specific virus. For smallpox, it may be as low as one.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...67600400900302

The minimal number of SARS-CoV-2 particles to cause infection is not yet known, but since it spreads easily with relatively casual contact it is probably small.
Now we are back to spikes. As I originally thought the OP was talking about. Problem with getting info from Yahoo and other junk outlets is that they are looking at a picture of something under an electron microscope and think they are seeing something else, or trying to dramatize something.

Virologists generally refer to virus "spores." MD's often prefer to call them "particles" so that dumb people will understand what they are talking about .

The number of Covid19 spores needed to cause infection in 99.999% of people is well known, and it is far in excess of one spore.
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Old 06-29-2020, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Now we are back to spikes. As I originally thought the OP was talking about. Problem with getting info from Yahoo and other junk outlets is that they are looking at a picture of something under an electron microscope and think they are seeing something else, or trying to dramatize something.

Virologists generally refer to virus "spores." MD's often prefer to call them "particles" so that dumb people will understand what they are talking about .

The number of Covid19 spores needed to cause infection in 99.999% of people is well known, and it is far in excess of one spore.
No, the article is not about spikes on the virus. It is about infected human cells developing connections with uninfected cells to facilitate the passage of virus from one human cell to another.

Please provide a reference where a virologist calls a viral particle a "spore".

I gave you two sources explaining that they do not.

Please provide a reference that documents the minimal infectious dose of SARS-CoV-19. That is not the same as the dose that would cause infection in "99.999% of people". The two scenarios are direct opposites.
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