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Old 07-26-2020, 04:10 PM
 
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and the big issue is how much of what they are telling us is legit and how much is simply scare tactics or exaggerated way over the top, It would take a lot of studies to prove this theory
Get over yourselves; you're not the center of the universe so stop behaving like everything's a conspiracy against snowflakey Americans.
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Old 07-26-2020, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Southwest
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The claim was backtracked soon after it was reported several weeks ago. It's not due to the virus being anything special. Any serious respiratory illness has the chance to damage the heart along with the lungs.

heart problems in ICU patients likely not due to virus
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I do not see how their conclusions are justified by their results. In essence they are saying more ICU patients die because they are sicker. Duh. They do not report autopsy findings.

The article in the OP does. If they are literally seeing similar changes in the heart in multiple COVID-19 deaths, odds are the virus is doing it.
These posts make me think it isn't easy to get at the truth. Can someone recommend a source for accurate information without bias?
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Old 07-26-2020, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Southwest
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and the big issue is how much of what they are telling us is legit and how much is simply scare tactics or exaggerated way over the top, It would take a lot of studies to prove this theory
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Get over yourselves; you're not the center of the universe so stop behaving like everything's a conspiracy against snowflakey Americans.
No one in this thead claimed Americans are the center of the universe. Accurate judgement of the threat is for people in all countries.
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Old 07-28-2020, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Published in JAMA Cardiology Online. Link Below.

Conclusions and Relevance In this study of a cohort of German patients recently recovered from COVID-19 infection, CMR revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and time from the original diagnosis. These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768916
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Old 07-28-2020, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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What happened 60 years ago?

At least we can say that an autopsied patient won't be scared by the findings that their heart had been damaged.
It was about 60 plus years ago the Asian flu killed over a million people and in the mid 60s it was the Korean flu.
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Old 07-28-2020, 09:18 AM
 
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The CIDRAP article you cite came out a month before the article that the OP posted which summarized an LSU paper published a few days earlier but still a nearly a full month after the article you say refuted it. Not related.
The heart damage article has been reprinted a number of times. I'm just going by the first time I saw it in June. I saw both articles then.

You have to be wary of a lot of the COVID news now. Just like the Russia-Trump collusion, they recycle the same news and pretend that it's new information. The worst case I've seen in the COVID propaganda is the claim that China had COVID in its labs which has been twisted from the original report in early January that patient's blood were compared to a stored SARS specimen from 2003. The Chinese confirmed that this was another coronavirus pandemic.
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:12 AM
 
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No, that's not what science is. Observations and theories are intermediate steps in the process.

At the end, science is being able to replicate an experience time and again, knowing in advance what the outcome will be.

Only poor scientists perform that kind of science. That sounds more like religion or politics.
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