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Your risk of dying or getting the serious complications are measured in terms of a few in a million...
And hey, what's a few million?
I don't think that people who've had severe complications from COVID-19--or the families of those who have died of it--care about whether someone thinks that they're "anecodotes."
CDC is a for-profit corporation with obvious ties to the pharmaceutical industry (which thrives on keeping people sick and dependent on wildly expensive drugs)...
Umm, the CDC is a US government agency and part of the Dept of Health and Human Services. It is neither for-profit nor a corporation. And yes, part of their work involves the evaluation of the role medicines can play in preventing or treating diseases. The agency receives its funding through the HHS not through drug sales.
"Common sense" would dictate not eating indoors in restaurants during an ongoing pandemic with respiratory spread...something which you say you do....therefore you aren't really practicing "common sense" are you??
Many people don't want to hear facts. They want to hear and believe in sweet comforting lies. Whether its about their president or how they process information on the pandemic...
Many people don't want to hear facts. They want to hear and believe in sweet comforting lies. Whether its about their president or how they process information on the pandemic...
No, we are not against hearing facts but there seem to be different opinion coming from all over the place. Here are a few examples for those of you who think you have the answers or believe everything you want to believe and I don't care where the advise comes from:
Here in our community we have had very few cases and the region is a mixture of young and old, rural and urban and likely to socialize and still staying in: the latest follow ups from those who tested positive: only 4% had been in a large gathering or a restaurant in the past month; our church, which is rather large has been holding services twice every Sunday since about late April: we have not had one person test positive. There is a section at church for people who believe in wearing masks at all time, to sit: there are sections for those who do not want to wear them all the time or not at all and we practice social distancing with no more coffee and cookies after the service and mostly any visiting is done outside as long as the weather permits. of course there are those who are still choosing to isolate which is the choice we all have the right to make and regardless of what you want to think; there is no right of wrong way to handle this!!!!!!!!!
No, we are not against hearing facts but there seem to be different opinion coming from all over the place. Here are a few examples for those of you who think you have the answers or believe everything you want to believe and I don't care where the advise comes from:
Here in our community we have had very few cases and the region is a mixture of young and old, rural and urban and likely to socialize and still staying in: the latest follow ups from those who tested positive: only 4% had been in a large gathering or a restaurant in the past month; our church, which is rather large has been holding services twice every Sunday since about late April: we have not had one person test positive. There is a section at church for people who believe in wearing masks at all time, to sit: there are sections for those who do not want to wear them all the time or not at all and we practice social distancing with no more coffee and cookies after the service and mostly any visiting is done outside as long as the weather permits. of course there are those who are still choosing to isolate which is the choice we all have the right to make and regardless of what you want to think; there is no right of wrong way to handle this!!!!!!!!!
Clearly there are "right" and "wrong" ways to handle this pandemic...
Holding indoor church services with "maskless" congregants is wrong....no matter how you wish to spin this as a matter of "choice"
The problem with making these "choices" is that making the wrong ones...and again there are wrong ones...doesn't just potentially affect YOU it affects OTHERS who maybe didn't make the same wrong choices.
Because the case count in your area is currently low doesn't mean it will stay that way particularly as winter comes and more people are indoors congregating.
As a whole your state, Arkansas, has done poorly in relation to other states in getting a handle on coronavirus so it is likely only a matter of time before your town, county, wherever sees a considerable uptick in cases.
A wedding in Maine this summer has led to 175 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 7 deaths
"Common sense" would dictate not eating indoors in restaurants during an ongoing pandemic with respiratory spread...something which you say you do....therefore you aren't really practicing "common sense" are you??
Keep things in perspective: approx 200,000 deaths among 6,700,00 known positives for a rate ~3% BUT- 80% of deaths are in the 65+ age group, AND the rate of positive tests seems to be ~10%, so 10% of 330,000,000 would 33,000,000 total positives-- means the REAL death rate is more like 0.7% of infected people and 0.07% of the total population....Now discount the 40% of deaths who were NH pts and due to die anyway--and we're down to only 0.04% of Americans have had their lives significantly shortened by CoV,...
Given that only 20% of deaths have occurred in the <65 group and there are 276,000,000 Americans in that group, their 40,000 CoV deaths represent a 0.01% death rate- roughly the same risk as dying in a MVA.
Based on the logic of those who would shut things down, wear masks, and cower in place, we should also be outlawing all motor vehicle activity for people under 65.
Keep things in perspective: approx 200,000 deaths among 6,700,00 known positives for a rate ~3% BUT- 80% of deaths are in the 65+ age group, AND the rate of positive tests seems to be ~10%, so 10% of 330,000,000 would 33,000,000 total positives-- means the REAL death rate is more like 0.7% of infected people and 0.07% of the total population....Now discount the 40% of deaths who were NH pts and due to die anyway--and we're down to only 0.04% of Americans have had their lives significantly shortened by CoV,...
Given that only 20% of deaths have occurred in the <65 group and there are 276,000,000 Americans in that group, their 40,000 CoV deaths represent a 0.01% death rate- roughly the same risk as dying in a MVA.
Based on the logic of those who would shut things down, wear masks, and cower in place, we should also be outlawing all motor vehicle activity for people under 65.
Yeah lets put things in perspective....
Let's even use your made up numbers....
So if we do nothing, no "cowering" as you call it, no mask wearing, no shut downs whatsoever and just let the virus run rampant...
Lets say 80% of the 330 million Americans become infected and lets say the death rate is "only" 0.7% of infected people....that is still over 1.8 million dead..
Guess you are OK with that ??
I usually just stop reading when some one makes ridiculous analogies regarding COVID 19 and MVA deaths but I think it is extremely disgraceful when someone who CLAIMS to be a health care professional makes these dubious connections...
Glad to know that those over 65 and those in nursing homes who were apparently ready to die any minute...their lives don't count in your mind
But you keep up with false equivocations if that makes you feel better about not "cowering" or wearing a mask
Keep things in perspective: approx 200,000 deaths among 6,700,00 known positives for a rate ~3% BUT- 80% of deaths are in the 65+ age group, AND the rate of positive tests seems to be ~10%, so 10% of 330,000,000 would 33,000,000 total positives-- means the REAL death rate is more like 0.7% of infected people and 0.07% of the total population....Now discount the 40% of deaths who were NH pts and due to die anyway--and we're down to only 0.04% of Americans have had their lives significantly shortened by CoV,...
Given that only 20% of deaths have occurred in the <65 group and there are 276,000,000 Americans in that group, their 40,000 CoV deaths represent a 0.01% death rate- roughly the same risk as dying in a MVA.
Based on the logic of those who would shut things down, wear masks, and cower in place, we should also be outlawing all motor vehicle activity for people under 65.
If that's true (it isn't but let's just pretend it is):
Then you're fine if you're the one who ends up in that .01% right? Are you equally okay with it being whoever you love the most? What about if it's a cousin? How about your favorite cashier at the supermarket? Are you okay with it being your next-door neighbor? Or what do you think about it being the guy who comes to your door to deliver your food, or a UPS driver who drops something off at your door? What about one of your kids, or grandkids? You don't have those? How about the first person you ever loved romantically, when you were younger? If they are that .01% who dies, are you okay with that?
How about we just have you write up a list of every single person you've ever met in your entire life, who is still alive. And we put a gun to the heads of 1 random person out of every ten thousand of those people. Are you okay with that decision?
Remember that's going to be a LOT of people. Unless you lived on a farm and wasn't allowed to leave your property, you've met hundreds of thousands of people from the day you were born til today. And in this exercise, since you're the one who's okay with the decision, YOUR life history gets to be the target demographic for the .01% deaths. You're likely to be directly responsible for the deaths of at least 100 people. You're okay with that?
Because that's basically what you're saying. You're saying "who cares if it's just one in ten thousand, it's just one in ten thousand."
OR...
You could wash your hands. Social distance. Wear a mask inside buildings that aren't your own home except when you're in the process of eating. And minimize that risk, and possibly prevent deaths, instead of contributing to them.
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