Many say they won't dine out or travel even after second COVID dose.

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by roodd279

...Here are a few, rather benign, mainly not political:

Zoning in suburban areas to prevent livestock. Why? Is it because I cannot raise a cow? No. It's because it affects my neighbors.
Speed limits. Why? Is it because I cannot drive? No. It's because I cannot drive AND I could kill someone else.
DUI. Why? Guns. Why?

Taxes? Would I (willingly) pay for stuff I don't use? some would...some wouldn't...so - taxes. Affects other people more than yourself.
Lots of local health depts. would quarantine if you had TB. No one ever argued with that before now. It's not for YOUR health - it's for your neighbors'.
Noise laws? For other people.
Loose dogs? Other people.

And so on. dozens or hundreds of things are done for the protection or "betterment of life" for someone THAT IS NOT YOU but you nevertheless are stuck doing. COVID things are just one more.

We are ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room. Even an expert driver, if drunk, is a public danger... and anyone on the street, old or young, slow or fast, tall or short, is potentially in danger. Noxious smell from livestock in a suburban subdivision affects all neighbors. TB can infect anyone, from babies to teens to the elderly, and doesn't care if you're obese or muscular or rail-thin. All of these are common threats to us all.

May I say something crass, but essential? Covid is NOT an equal-opportunity killer. The evidence is overwhelming, that it specifically selects for (1) the elderly, and (2) persons with already severely compromised health. It's the very opposite of the 1918 Spanish Flu, which seems to have had a particular danger for the young and the healthy.

So when we see pictures of crowds of irresponsible, dissolute young-people partying and cavorting on spring break, our ire is immediately directed to the fact, that largely they themselves won't suffer, but instead will infect their elders, who in turn will suffer. Thus the moral dimension, beyond the mere health-dimension. That's it. That's what it's all about.

[coschristi]

Originally Posted by mike1003

They plan to wait for herd immunity, a stance that could temper initial recovery.

FYIIW, MrsM and I are part of the 25-30% who will wait a few months longer

It doesn't sound like you trust your vaccines. The same people who gave you efficacy data, gave you the safety data.

Originally Posted by MillennialUrbanist

And eventually, Anthony Fauci will go down in history as a criminal that had everyone wrapped around his finger, like Al Capone did. If law enforcement can't nail Fauci for inciting mass panic, maybe they'll nail him for tax evasion or something.

I sure hope so. He's been deserving it since the AIDS debacle that made him a multi-millionaire in 1997. And here we were still stuck with him with covid.

[mike1003]

Originally Posted by coschristi

It doesn't sound like you trust your vaccines. The same people who gave you efficacy data, gave you the safety data.

I (we) do trust my (our) vaccine. Don't put words in my mouth, it's unsanitary!


We are going out more. Shopping, etc.


The vaccines are +/- 90% effective. That's incredible. I'm just not in a hurry after a year.


You worry about yourself and we'll do the same

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by coschristi

It doesn't sound like you trust your vaccines. The same people who gave you efficacy data, gave you the safety data.

Np, he is just staying the course until the amount of virus circulating decreases until it can reach fewer susceptible people.

I sure hope so. He's been deserving it since the AIDS debacle that made him a multi-millionaire in 1997. And here we were still stuck with him with covid.

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