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Old 04-08-2021, 07:17 AM
 
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Vaccinated people could also be "throwing off variants".
I've read that from several credible sources so I'm still being careful. There's apparently a non-zero chance that I could get an asymptomatic case of COVID even after vaccination and pass it on to someone else. I mentioned this to my sister-in-law, whose response was, "Well, if it's not 100% effective why are you getting vaccinated?"

She's a retired RN. I'm considering suggesting that she return her diploma back to the nursing school and ask for a refund.

 
Old 04-08-2021, 08:03 AM
 
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The new-normal is probably not going to be exactly like the old-normal.

The vaccines have to be re-administered when the old ones lose effectiveness......and the added bonus of the variants complicating things. So, we go back into panicky-mode when the need to re-vax everyone again in 10 to 12 months come around...........rinse and repeat, maybe forever.
 
Old 04-08-2021, 08:50 AM
 
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The new-normal is probably not going to be exactly like the old-normal.

The vaccines have to be re-administered when the old ones lose effectiveness......and the added bonus of the variants complicating things. So, we go back into panicky-mode when the need to re-vax everyone again in 10 to 12 months come around...........rinse and repeat, maybe forever.
So the "vaccination passport" idea to allow people to go into businesses, kids to go to school, etc. is a non-starter. We can't be issuing vaccination passports to the entire population every year, or if we can, what does that say about voter ID? We can't require voter ID because it disadvantages certain groups who would have trouble getting a one-time ID, but somehow they would all easily be able to get a vaccination and a vaccination card every year.
 
Old 04-08-2021, 08:56 AM
 
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So the "vaccination passport" idea to allow people to go into businesses, kids to go to school, etc. is a non-starter. We can't be issuing vaccination passports to the entire population every year, or if we can, what does that say about voter ID? We can't require voter ID because it disadvantages certain groups who would have trouble getting a one-time ID, but somehow they would all easily be able to get a vaccination and a vaccination card every year.
Well, at least for this vaccination go-around, there hasn't been a reliable national- or state-level record system put into place in most areas to prevent rampant "vaccination passport" counterfeiting. That was an unintended consequence of the emergency situation of getting people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
 
Old 04-08-2021, 12:56 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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The new-normal is probably not going to be exactly like the old-normal.

The vaccines have to be re-administered when the old ones lose effectiveness......and the added bonus of the variants complicating things. So, we go back into panicky-mode when the need to re-vax everyone again in 10 to 12 months come around...........rinse and repeat, maybe forever.
Nope. That's a maybe on the booster, and its looking like just one will be needed to cover the variants. And we will have enough supply next fall/winter to easily do it. No doom and gloom, sorry.
 
Old 04-08-2021, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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Vaccinated people could also be "throwing off variants".

While possible, it's much, much, much less likely to happen then in the vaccinated population. If your body kills the virus on arrival it can't replicate. If it can't replicate it can't mutate. If it can't mutate then you can't be "throwing off" variants.
 
Old 04-08-2021, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Redwood City, CA
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Nope. That's a maybe on the booster, and its looking like just one will be needed to cover the variants. And we will have enough supply next fall/winter to easily do it. No doom and gloom, sorry.

Dude! You're harshing their mellow!
 
Old 04-08-2021, 02:48 PM
 
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Well, at least for this vaccination go-around, there hasn't been a reliable national- or state-level record system put into place in most areas to prevent rampant "vaccination passport" counterfeiting. That was an unintended consequence of the emergency situation of getting people vaccinated as quickly as possible.

Is there any evience that there is rampant counterfeiting?
 
Old 04-08-2021, 03:12 PM
 
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There's apparently a non-zero chance


"Apparently?" ??!? It's advertised as 95%. What did ya think was happening with the other 5%?


Nothing is 100%. Nothing. Not ever. Not now, not then, never. Life has risks.
 
Old 04-08-2021, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Virologist Geert Vanden Bossche is predicting a disaster from the mass vaccination campaigns. He thinks vaccinated people will be the source of the new variants.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

"mass vaccination campaigns will enable new, more infectious viral variants to become increasingly dominant and ultimately result in a dramatic incline in new cases despite enhanced vaccine coverage rates."

According to Dr. Vanden Bossche, vaccinated people will be at more risk.

https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6ded...en_Bossche.pdf

"The more we use these vaccines for immunizing people in the midst of a pandemic, the more infectious the virus will become."

"Not only would people lose vaccine-mediated protection but also their precious, variant-nonspecific (!), innate immunity will be gone (this is because vaccinal antibodies outcompete natural antibodies for binding to Covid-19, even when their affinity for the viral variant is relatively low)."


This might explain why Chile is now having a huge increase in new cases. Chile had the most aggressive vaccination campaign is South America and now is having one of the biggest surges.
Thankfully the surge seems to be on the downside now and deaths were nowhere near the highs of last year.
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