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Old 07-31-2021, 09:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California
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Quite true. I have a close friend who was fully vaccinated. He has been fighting Crohn's Disease for years, and now has a moderately bad breakthrough case.
Crohn's Disease patients often take immunosuppressants which can mute an immune response to the vaccine. There was a doctor on air stating he doesn't like the phrase ?breakthrough cases". The vaccines were approved based on the ability to prevent severe disease and death and he feels that phrase should be applied to only those cases. The implications implying the vaccines don't work based on paired similar viral loads in the vaccinated and unvaccinated is misplaced based on the fact that as was stated today the vaccinated death rate is less than 0.001%.

Hope he has no lasting effects from the virus and comes out OK.
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Old 08-01-2021, 05:35 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Crohn's Disease patients often take immunosuppressants which can mute an immune response to the vaccine. There was a doctor on air stating he doesn't like the phrase ?breakthrough cases". The vaccines were approved based on the ability to prevent severe disease and death and he feels that phrase should be applied to only those cases. The implications implying the vaccines don't work based on paired similar viral loads in the vaccinated and unvaccinated is misplaced based on the fact that as was stated today the vaccinated death rate is less than 0.001%.

Hope he has no lasting effects from the virus and comes out OK.
I agree with what you say. The drumbeat is on for another thorough, March 2020 style lockdown and I can't see it not happening. The sheople out there should resist this time but predictably they will just be cowed, again, into "isolating." This time businesses might not survive.
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Old 08-01-2021, 06:49 AM
 
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I agree with what you say. The drumbeat is on for another thorough, March 2020 style lockdown and I can't see it not happening. The sheople out there should resist this time but predictably they will just be cowed, again, into "isolating." This time businesses might not survive.

Tell the sheeple to get vaccinated then.
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Old 08-01-2021, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Again, hospitalizations are way up.
RATES. Not sheer numbers. Rates per case.
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Old 08-01-2021, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Yes, adding that makes her statement correct.
RATE per case.

Probably because the actual severity of the virus is lessened considerably among the roughly 50 percent of the US population that is vaccinated.
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Old 08-01-2021, 07:41 AM
 
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We're a few news articles away from a more or less permanent lockdown.
The authorities look at cases and the load at hospitals to determine whether more stringent measures are needed. They don't need to look at news articles that are just using the data that's being collected by the states' hospital systems.

Some states didn't embrace vaccinations like the other states so that the hospitalizations are climbing. They may have to lock down to bring down the hospital utilizations.

Hyping the strains is a convenient way to point the finger away from personal responsibility...
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Old 08-01-2021, 07:44 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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RATE per case.

Probably because the actual severity of the virus is lessened considerably among the roughly 50 percent of the US population that is vaccinated.
According to the CDC "leaked" power point presentation, the so-called delta variant is "only" slightly more deadly than the original strain, but several times more contagious, on a par with chicken pox but below measles.

So if that continues to be the case, with many more infections but also around 60% of the population having the mitigative shots, we should see ... well, I really don't know ... anybody's guess.

I suppose one may feel confident about avoiding hospitalization and/or death with the mitigative shot, and about the same 15% chance as a year ago of a bad outcome (severe illness, hospitalization, death) for those who have not taken the mitigative shot.

But indeed we have already seen, and may continue to see, some hospitals reach capacity due to sheer numbers.

On the other hand, maybe this wave will taper off sooner than later, as it seems to have done in UK.

We'll see in the coming weeks.

All the best!
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Old 08-01-2021, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Early America
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Quite true. I have a close friend who was fully vaccinated. He has been fighting Crohn's Disease for years, and now has a moderately bad breakthrough case.
I have been encouraging people who are at risk to not rely solely on the vaccine to prevent a bad case. I would be taking extra precautions to avoid contracting it.

I hope he is okay.
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Old 08-01-2021, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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RATES. Not sheer numbers. Rates per case.

Can you show me the math equation for "rates per case"?


If you mean per capita, that's for comparing two unequal areas to an equal number. Such as comparing how bad San Fran is doing compared to Waimea (vastly different populations).

Hospitalization rates are how many, on any given day, are in the hospital. And following a 14 day average, they are, and have been.
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Old 08-01-2021, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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RATES. Not sheer numbers. Rates per case.

Can you show me the math equation for "rates per case"?

Assume you mean "per capita". Per capita is what is used, in this case, to compare two unequal populations to see how they compare.

Such as the following chart comparing how different countries are doing with hospitalizations, so they use a per capita bases.

As you can see on the following chart, they are also up on a per capita bases.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...ns-per-million


Generally speaking, hospitalizations are up if they are more than the previous 14 day average. It is just a linear number. If you are not making an unequal comparison, and trying to make it equal, you do not require per capita.

Either way, hospitalizations are up in the US. As of today, it is up 73% on a 14 day average.
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