'A Few Mutations Away': The Threat of a Vaccine-Proof Variant (allergy, heart)
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I don't think so either but apparently some people do. AUGH!!!!!
You know what shocks me? That so many people would rather take their chances with a virus that has many possible long term effects that have been proven, rather than a vaccine that is clearly working. I mean, I have been vaccinated since March with zero long term effects (and the only side effect I had was a very low grade fever with subsequent tiredness for part of one day after the vaccination - a side effect that's apparently very common).
I'll take that over an actual infection and illness any day! I laid on my sofa in my jammies all afternoon binge watching something and actually pretty much enjoying myself! Then it was over and I had to return to real life - LOL.
would it ever dawn on you that there are people out there who have bad reactions to many drugs? Sometimes even death. and the trouble is the patient may have no idea if the worst case scenario is going to happen to them until they get that jab. Once done, they cant take it back and there is no antidote for whats in that vial.
you want to be vaccinated, go ahead. But stop with the criticism of those of us that have medication problems and barely take any drug, even over the counter, or any vaccine etc.
I am so fed up with this society that thinks we should all be the same. As I said on another thread, Im under no civic obligation to harm myself to protect you. Take care of yourself!
I do understand what the article is saying though.
Computer models showed the best way to get a vaccine immune variant is to have a bunch of people not vaccinated, side by side with a bunch of people who are.
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would it ever dawn on you that there are people out there who have bad reactions to many drugs? Sometimes even death. and the trouble is the patient may have no idea if the worst case scenario is going to happen to them until they get that jab. Once done, they cant take it back and there is no antidote for whats in that vial.
you want to be vaccinated, go ahead. But stop with the criticism of those of us that have medication problems and barely take any drug, even over the counter, or any vaccine etc.
I am so fed up with this society that thinks we should all be the same. As I said on another thread, Im under no civic obligation to harm myself to protect you. Take care of yourself!
AMEN!!!! ^^^ I, too, am like you and have terrible allergic reactions to many meds, including simple over-the-counter meds like aspirin! I was also hospitalized two years ago with a life threatening blood clot. I am not going to take any chances. I never take any vaccines and I never get any kind of flu, or even a cold. I am pretty sure I already had a mild case of covid back when this all started but never got tested, the only time I have been a bit sick in many many years.
So people, feel free to do YOU, and quit proselytizing and shaming those of us who have our reasons and just don't agree with you!
would it ever dawn on you that there are people out there who have bad reactions to many drugs? Sometimes even death. and the trouble is the patient may have no idea if the worst case scenario is going to happen to them until they get that jab. Once done, they cant take it back and there is no antidote for whats in that vial.
you want to be vaccinated, go ahead. But stop with the criticism of those of us that have medication problems and barely take any drug, even over the counter, or any vaccine etc.
I am so fed up with this society that thinks we should all be the same. As I said on another thread, Im under no civic obligation to harm myself to protect you. Take care of yourself!
I'm going with my daughter to the doctor this week. She had myocarditis symptoms immediately after her first Moderna shot which led to high blood pressure that she has been trying to control on her own and now big varicose veins in her leg. She has put off going to see the doctor because of all this PR that the vaccines are good for everyone. She is prone to blood clots, got her first one from birth control pills. She should've said no, but work pressure is tough for a young woman who hears nothing but take the shot, take the shot.
I do understand what the article is saying though.
Computer models showed the best way to get a vaccine immune variant is to have a bunch of people not vaccinated, side by side with a bunch of people who are.
It never was and never will be possible to vaccinate all 350 million in this country - much less the 9 billion in the world - at the same time. Isn't the original discovery date for all of these variants January 2021 or earlier? Even at full production, it was six months into the vaccination program before everyone came eligible. If vaccinated and unvaccinated existing side by side creates variants - not there is any evidence that it does - then variants are simply inevitable.
It never was and never will be possible to vaccinate all 350 million in this country - much less the 9 billion in the world - at the same time. Isn't the original discovery date for all of these variants January 2021 or earlier? Even at full production, it was six months into the vaccination program before everyone came eligible. If vaccinated and unvaccinated existing side by side creates variants - not there is any evidence that it does - then variants are simply inevitable.
We had variants before the vaccine. We had lots of variants before the vaccine.
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would it ever dawn on you that there are people out there who have bad reactions to many drugs? Sometimes even death. and the trouble is the patient may have no idea if the worst case scenario is going to happen to them until they get that jab. Once done, they cant take it back and there is no antidote for whats in that vial.
you want to be vaccinated, go ahead. But stop with the criticism of those of us that have medication problems and barely take any drug, even over the counter, or any vaccine etc.
I am so fed up with this society that thinks we should all be the same. As I said on another thread, Im under no civic obligation to harm myself to protect you. Take care of yourself!
Nobody is telling highly allergic or otherwise vulnerable people to get any vaccine, but enjoy the strawman you've built. That's to be discussed with your doctor, there's no point in complaining about it here because literally nobody here is telling people who are actually vulnerable to vaccines to get vaccinated.
But that's a teensy weensy fraction of the millions of people who refuse to get vaccinated.
I don't understand why people don't even try to understand how viral vaccines contribute to arising variants.
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Virulence, as a trait, is directly related to replication: The more pathogens that a person’s body houses, the sicker that person generally becomes. A high replication rate has evolutionary advantages — more microbes in the body lead to more microbes in snot or blood or stool, which gives the microbes more chances to infect others — but it also has costs, as it can kill hosts before they have the chance to pass on their infection.
Are the vaccinated going to have a high replication rate or a low replication rate? Obviously; they should have a low replication rate compared to the unvaccinated. This is the phase the vaccinated had been in until maybe a month ago : The unvaccinated are succumbing at a higher rate while the vaccinated are protected. But the vaccines wane starting about 6 months later. If you were vaccinated (with mrna) in January, that started happening in June. If vaccinated in April, that will start in October. This is why the boosters are going to be available; to combat waning.
As the vaccines waned, we reached the phase where we are now: The vaccinated are carrying similar viral loads to the unvaccinated. They are carrying (& transmitting) covid but not dying from covid. This is known as the "Leaky Vaccine" impact.
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Leaky vaccines prevent the development of disease symptoms, but do not protect against infection and the onwards transmission of pathogens, which has been a concern because the consequences for unvaccinated contact individuals are unknown.
And yes, I know: Who really cares about the unvaccinated, right? (even though this now means children) I mean, "the unvaccinated should just get vaccinated". Because YOU are protected, right? The vaccinated are theoretically; "protected from the costs".
Except that the mrna vaccines don't just reach "Leaky" & hold there ... They keep waning.
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WASHINGTON – Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, Israel's director of public health services, said Sunday that evidence points to the waning immunity in the COVID-19 vaccine, saying her two biggest concerns with the delta variant relate to its level of infectiousness and the rising rate of vaccinated individuals testing positive.
"It's 50 percent more infectious than the previous variant, which was 50 percent more infectious than the original one," Alroy-Preis told CBS' Face the Nation, noting that a third of Israel's population has not been covered, particularly Israel's large population of non-vaccinated children.
I don't understand why people don't want to understand what the problem is for people with "covid naive" immune systems. "Covid naive", meaning have not had covid at all. No covid. Not the original strain, not the strain prior to Delta & not any of the strains in between. The vaccines will wane, leaving them like a human who has spent since December 2019 in outer space, then lands on earth to be exposed to a disease 100% more infectious than the first wave was.
Better to have built immunity to the original strain & constantly reinforced by exposures to evolving variants along the way, because as long as we keep vaccinating, the pathogen will continue to evolve until it escapes the boosters protection forever.
Probably the best protection for a vaccinated person who is waning, is to be around unvaccinated people with immunity from the primary immune response; meaning past infection but the numbers of unvaccinated are diminishing every day, as vaccine uptake is encouraged. In the meantime, don't be overweight. At all. Not just obese but overweight. Keep your blood sugars in check & manage that kidney disease. I would never advocate for smoking but nicotine does seem to provide protection, the studies of which have largely been ignored.
There are patches & gum. And for the love of God ... we need to be demanding an emphasis on treatments. The reality is, that we are only a few boosters away, from a vaccine-proof variant.
Are the vaccinated going to have a high replication rate or a low replication rate? Obviously; they should have a low replication rate compared to the unvaccinated. This is the phase the vaccinated had been in until maybe a month ago : The unvaccinated are succumbing at a higher rate while the vaccinated are protected. But the vaccines wane starting about 6 months later. If you were vaccinated (with mrna) in January, that started happening in June. If vaccinated in April, that will start in October. This is why the boosters are going to be available; to combat waning.
As the vaccines waned, we reached the phase where we are now: The vaccinated are carrying similar viral loads to the unvaccinated. They are carrying (& transmitting) covid but not dying from covid. This is known as the "Leaky Vaccine" impact.
And yes, I know: Who really cares about the unvaccinated, right? (even though this now means children) I mean, "the unvaccinated should just get vaccinated". Because YOU are protected, right? The vaccinated are theoretically; "protected from the costs".
Except that the mrna vaccines don't just reach "Leaky" & hold there ... They keep waning.
I don't understand why people don't want to understand what the problem is for people with "covid naive" immune systems. "Covid naive", meaning have not had covid at all. No covid. Not the original strain, not the strain prior to Delta & not any of the strains in between. The vaccines will wane, leaving them like a human who has spent since December 2019 in outer space, then lands on earth to be exposed to a disease 100% more infectious than the first wave was.
Better to have built immunity to the original strain & constantly reinforced by exposures to evolving variants along the way, because as long as we keep vaccinating, the pathogen will continue to evolve until it escapes the boosters protection forever.
Probably the best protection for a vaccinated person who is waning, is to be around unvaccinated people with immunity from the primary immune response; meaning past infection but the numbers of unvaccinated are diminishing every day, as vaccine uptake is encouraged. In the meantime, don't be overweight. At all. Not just obese but overweight. Keep your blood sugars in check & manage that kidney disease. I would never advocate for smoking but nicotine does seem to provide protection, the studies of which have largely been ignored.
There are patches & gum. And for the love of God ... we need to be demanding an emphasis on treatments. The reality is, that we are only a few boosters away, from a vaccine-proof variant.
I don't understand why people don't even try to understand how viral vaccines contribute to arising variants.
Are the vaccinated going to have a high replication rate or a low replication rate? Obviously; they should have a low replication rate compared to the unvaccinated. This is the phase the vaccinated had been in until maybe a month ago : The unvaccinated are succumbing at a higher rate while the vaccinated are protected. But the vaccines wane starting about 6 months later. If you were vaccinated (with mrna) in January, that started happening in June. If vaccinated in April, that will start in October. This is why the boosters are going to be available; to combat waning.
As the vaccines waned, we reached the phase where we are now: The vaccinated are carrying similar viral loads to the unvaccinated. They are carrying (& transmitting) covid but not dying from covid. This is known as the "Leaky Vaccine" impact.
And yes, I know: Who really cares about the unvaccinated, right? (even though this now means children) I mean, "the unvaccinated should just get vaccinated". Because YOU are protected, right? The vaccinated are theoretically; "protected from the costs".
Except that the mrna vaccines don't just reach "Leaky" & hold there ... They keep waning.
I can't tell from this post if you are recommending getting a vaccination or saying it's not worth the trouble.
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