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If it is so "ho hum" why aren't we doing anything about it?
I mean why are vaccinations mandatory but losing weight isn't when it is PROVEN to increase your risk of hospitalization and death, vaccines or no?
Tell me when you get your fat neighbor to lose 25 pounds and run back and tell me how long it took you...then come back 6 months after that and tell me (IF they succeeded initially) whether they kept it off. In the meantime, how many have died of COVID, TRYING to lose weight. Vaccine is fast and easy and effective.
Doctors advise patients to lose weight all the time...it is not simple or easy, regardless of what currently skinny people say.
I would guess "yes" to both since obesity impairs immune response.
Proven only by torturing the numbers so much they finally cave in and confess. Trivial explanation-- sweet body fluids are good culture media. Diabetics are more prone to some bacterial infections, but only marginally more difficult to treat in actual practice. In vitro studies have shown some obscure differences in WBC function-- difficult to extrapolate to practical concerns.
Here's an extensive review-- In several places they mention that viral illness is more common in diabetics--without even one reference study to back up the claim. (How does this crap get past the peer reviewers?) Plenty of references to quantitate the increased problems in bacterial diseases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8050380/
Study after study comes in placing this as a major contributor to illness with covid and no one wants to talk about it.
People talk about it all the time. A person who is obese is going to take a long time to safely lose the weight. For people I know who did it successfully, it was at least a year, sometimes three. COVID is killing people today. It’s not helpful to tell someone who is 300 pounds and should ideally be 150 that they would be less at risk for COIVD if they were at 150. They know that. We need to have solutions now, not in 2024.
Not getting the vaccine leaves you a breeding ground for developing new strains of covid, and puts others at risk.
Not losing weight only puts you at risk.
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Ding! We have a winner of the "why aren't the obese treated the same as the unvaccinated" contest.
Wrong. In fact, the vaccinated are more likely to be "breeding grounds" for new mutants--Species only evolve when there is selection pressure-- a changing environment.
In the unvaccinated, a new infection is under no pressure to change. In the vaccinated, the old variant has trouble surviving, but a new variant is the only one with a chance...It's a subtle difference.
And once again, not being obese doesn't make you less likely to get sick. It's just that, once sick, the obese can have longer illness with an increased risk of death.
The more the virus can reproduce, the more variants. End of story. That's why we have all these VOCs, they are all pre vaccine. Most, I'm sure there are some "post".
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The more the virus can reproduce, the more variants. End of story. ".
First sentence right. Second sentence wrong.
Playing the card game War-- the guy holding 50 cards is surely going to win. With two cards, highly improbable you'll turn that into a winner.
A new mutant is the guy with only two cards- low numbers in the population, surely to be squeezed out by the variant in highest numbers-- UNLESS the environment changes, giving the new mutation a survival advantage. A vaccine that suppresses the preproduction of the old, but not the new, provides that advantage.
People talk about it all the time. A person who is obese is going to take a long time to safely lose the weight. For people I know who did it successfully, it was at least a year, sometimes three. COVID is killing people today. It’s not helpful to tell someone who is 300 pounds and should ideally be 150 that they would be less at risk for COIVD if they were at 150. They know that. We need to have solutions now, not in 2024.
Too bad. It has been 20 months. I feel they should get the same treatment as unvaccinated people. Which is absolutely no slack.
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The more the virus can reproduce, the more variants. End of story.
Absolutely. And as we apparently know, fat is a breeding ground for viral replication. Why? fat cells have Ace2 receptors and this is the virus' way to get into the cells. A fat person will have double the viral load of someone who isn't fat.
So, fatties make the virus have variants and they also spread it.
Yet, the authorities do nothing about this.
Shocking really.
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