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Old 11-13-2021, 06:55 PM
 
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I smell a class action lawsuit:


A New York attorney filed a FOIA request in September asking for “documents reflecting any documented case of an individual who
(1) never received a Covid-19 vaccine;
(2) was infected with Covid-19 once, recovered, and then later became infected again; and
(3) transmitted SARS CoV-2 to another person when reinfected.”


The CDC responded: “A search of our records failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request. The CDC Emergency Operation Center (EOC) conveyed that this information is not collected

I have a sneaking suspicion any information that disproves their narrative is not collected.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...overing-covid/
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Old 11-14-2021, 03:12 PM
 
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Not sure what you're saying here - sounds like you think being infected a 2nd time means you're not contagious.


There is no evidence that that's the case (and your contention that "proving a negative" here required...also not the case).


But it does not matter. The fact is - being infected THE FIRST TIME is bad enough, and that's why the vaccine is a game changer. If the 2nd "natural" infection were not contagious - it would change nothing. Nothing at all.


I mean - basically - it means that ALL THE COVID YOU SEE RIGHT NOW - none of it was caused by a 2nd infection - and yet, still - it totally sucks. So even if you're right - you're wrong.
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Old 11-14-2021, 03:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California
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People have died from the reinfections. Common logic infers that they were infectious. No documented cases based on epidemiological studies have shown a transmission as of yet. We are dealing with small numbers of less than 1% reinfections and and most are asymptomatic and out of those fewer get sick and still fewer will die through reinfection. Special studies would be needed to document transmission. We do know that the virus was circulating and even causing deaths before the virus was known.

https://www.witn.com/2021/10/05/dhhs...-deaths-state/

GREENVILLE, N.C. (WITN) - State health officials say nearly 11,000 people in North Carolina have been reinfected with COVID-19, dispelling a common belief that you can’t get the virus a second time.

The Department of Health and Human Services said of the 10,812 reinfection cases, 94 people have died. It is also reporting that of those vaccinated, there have been just 200 reinfection cases.

Data shows the number of weekly reinfections has more than tripled this summer thanks to the surge caused by the Delta variant. DHHS said reinfections were less often in children and Hispanics, and more common in women.
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Old 11-15-2021, 01:37 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Data shows the number of weekly reinfections has more than tripled this summer thanks to the surge caused by the Delta variant..
The Delta Var has been dominant for almost a year now. The surge was merely the natural cosequence of the Laplacian Diffusion Equation as it applies to the particular host/vector system....If this vax was so great, we should not have seen the second surge. The vax, besides being somewhat "leaky," as they say, has been dispatched way too slowly to have shown much of an impact on the spread of the virus.

But, you arre correct in pointing out that there arre many documented cases of second nfections...and the concept of "recovered carrier" is quite common in many infectious diseases. Typhoid Mary comes to mind. Why should this disease be any different?

More importantly, the repsonse of the CDC to the FOIA request supports the notion that only fools believe their govt (or anyone, for that matter) is to be trusted blindly.
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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Not surprising since this country has done an absolutely terrible job of contact tracing. About the best we've done is informing students at public schools where a classmate has known to have contracted Covid. We really don't have good data on individual transmission events.

Not "having a record" is not equal to it "not happening."
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Old 11-15-2021, 06:39 PM
 
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Isn't it interesting that despite the highest new infection rates being in the highest vaxxed countries, people blame the minority who are unvaxxed and have natural immunity. Willful ignorance and lack of common sense.

I blame the public school system.
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Old 11-15-2021, 11:59 PM
 
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There is a study, based on antibody levels, that predicts the median time interval for reinfection is 16 months:

-> https://www.thelancet.com/action/sho...2821%2900219-6

So basically 3 months post infection, it finds you have 95% protection following infection, this drops to 50% by the 16th month.

1) This study is based on antibody levels, so some caution needs to be added to the interpretation
2) This is far better protection than the vaccines officer. With Pfizer you enjoy 78% protection within 1 month of the second dose and this drops to 20% in month 6 -> https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114
3) I expect if a previously infected person is constantly exposed to SARS-CoV-2, instead of social distancing etc, his or her antibodies will remain high
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