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How do you propose that doctors force people to make good lifestyle choices?
I'm not proposing anything, I'm just providing information about what doctor's have been trained to do. Remember they are "medical doctors." They are not dieticians and/or lifestyle coaches. That's not what their degree says.
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Lifestyle changes are the first things discussed for hypertension, diabetes, and lipid disorders. You know, the things that kill people. Yes, dear, doctors talk to patients about lifestyle changes every day. Patients do not listen.
What ever they're doing it's not enough. They only have a few minutes to spend with each person.
The number of diabetics has been steadily increasing in the U.S.
"At completion (average follow-up of 2.8 years) of the Diabetes Prevention Program, 58 percent of participants were at their physical activity goal of at least 150 minutes per week; 38 percent were at their weight loss goal of at least 7 percent of initial body weight. All of these studies included frequent, intensive contact with allied health professionals or highly trained case managers."
That means that almost half the participants were not meeting exercise goals and almost two thirds did not meet weight loss goals, despite the intensity of the counselling.
So you can imagine how unsuccessful a doctor will be trying to tell someone what to do in the very limited time they have with each patient.
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Noncompliance is the problem.
It's a problem but not the problem of the average medical doctor. The average doctor is not a diabetes coach, lifestyle coach, or dietician.
What works for me is knowing that I don't eat ANY junk food. So every time I eat I see great health-promoting foods in front of me on my dish. Seeing and eating those healthy foods sends a powerful message that tells me I'm on the right track.
And that sets me free to tell the truth about medical doctors who practice disease-care. They're not practicing it on me because I'm healthy. I'm 81 and have never had a colonoscopy. Does that seem like I think negative thoughts about my health?
My mother is 95 and also has never had a colonoscopy so is she more able to tell the truth about medical doctors who practice health care?
No doctor I have visited wasted my money on medicine I did not need. And doctors have dealt with more issues for me than diseases. But of course they treated me for any disease I had as well. Maybe you have greedy doctors?
Diet and lifestyle are responsibilities of the individual, not that of doctors, nurses or dentists.
Absolutely correct.
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These professionals all can, and do, give good advice until they're blue in the face yet it amounts to nothing if their patients don't take it.
NO, they don't give good advice until they're blue in the face. It's more likely they will simply say, "It might help if you could lose a few pounds." Or, "try to lose some weight, that would be helpful." That's the extent of it, there's no "blue in the face." And I don't expect them to do more because they don't have the time for it, and it's not their job to do more than that.
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Therefore, your quoted passage more aptly describes the mindset of those individuals who are ill due to inactivity, negligent hygiene and poor food choices.
Why did you pull that "passage" out of context? I've said so much on this thread, I don't exactly remember the context. So I can't respond one way or the other.
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NO, they don't give good advice until they're blue in the face. It's more likely they will simply say, "It might help if you could lose a few pounds." Or, "try to lose some weight, that would be helpful." That's the extent of it, there's no "blue in the face." And I don't expect them to do more because they don't have the time for it, and it's not their job to do more than that.
Yes, they do. "It's more likely" is your unsubstantiated opinion.
My mother is 95 and also has never had a colonoscopy so is she more able to tell the truth about medical doctors who practice health care?
Is that how you prove a point, by pulling things out of context? Well, it didn't prove anything.
No doctor I have visited wasted my money on medicine I did not need. And doctors have dealt with more issues for me than diseases. But of course they treated me for any disease I had as well. Maybe you have greedy doctors?
No, I don't have greedy doctors. I'm 81 and don't remember ever meeting a doctor that I didn't like. They are all very likable. Even the ones who were prone to make a mistake now and then were likable. I might complain about them making a mistake but that doesn't mean I don't like them. The one I have now made a big mistake but I'm not considering trying to find another doctor because he's just a likable guy.
Yes, they do. "It's more likely" is your unsubstantiated opinion.
The fact that you think there's not proof of it is your biased opinion. But I don't have time now to go looking for the links that show the average time doctors have to spend with each patient.
The fact that you think there's not proof of it is your biased opinion. But I don't have time now to go looking for the links that show the average time doctors have to spend with each patient.
See you all tomorrow, have fun.
Yes doctors have only a limited time per patient. Dies the pharmacy not explain each new prescription with you? Mine go in great detail each new medication I have ever been prescribed.
I have never had a doctor give me a prescription and told me that it might help. I correct myself as once a doctor told me to try X but if it did not do the job he would give me Y which was much more expensive.
Yes doctors have only a limited time per patient. Dies the pharmacy not explain each new prescription with you? Mine go in great detail each new medication I have ever been prescribed.
I don't know how to answer your question without you getting the wrong idea. I seldom need a prescription like the one I needed for a dog bite. That was a one time prescription. And I didn't get to see the doctor for the dog bite. I saw the physician's assistant, a woman who only suggested that I take either a probiotic pill or a probiotic yogurt, after taking an antibiotic. There was one other (one time) prescription from a dental practice and I only got information from a woman who worked in the office, which turned out to be bad information. And the pharmacy gave no information.
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I have never had a doctor give me a prescription and told me that it might help. I correct myself as once a doctor told me to try X but if it did not do the job he would give me Y which was much more expensive.
Talking about what happens to individuals (individual cases) is a waste of time because it never proves anything except that there are a multitude of different individual situations. Remember the saying about not seeing the forest for the trees?
That's what we have here: It's like each patient or doctor gets in the way of seeing the overall big picture.
I could tell lots of bad stories and then it would be a contest between my bad stories and other peoples' good stories. So, in the end, what does it prove? Nothing except people might feel better telling their stories.
Here's one of the "good" stories: I was told a few times on this thread that doctors do provide more than disease-care. I was told they provide preventive care like vaccines. And, with out having time to think about it, I though it was a totally valid point. I didn't argue against it.
But having had some time to think about it, I'm pretty sure the credit, for the most part, would have to go to someone else. Most general practitioners not only don't give the shot themselves, they usually don't even see the patient. The exception would be if the patient has some serious health condition and asks to talk it over with the doctor, whatever the reason might be. But other than a few exceptions, the doctor has nothing to do with it.
The patient would go to the doctor's office and the vaccine would be given by a nurse or physician's assistant.
So the only thing left to the doctors' credit is the appendicitis operation. Just about everything else is disease-care.
For the most part medical-care is chemical-care.
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