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I would be curious to know what her diet was, what type of regular exercise she was doing, whether she abstained from drugs and alcohol.
High blood pressure (hypertension) existed before processed foods were invented. It existed before sugar was available in 2-pound bags in granulated form. It exists among vegans who don't smoke, drink, or do anything in excess. There are risk factors that increase the risk of getting hypertension, and they don't all involve diet.
Being over 65 can trigger hypertension, no matter how well you eat. So can genetics. So can stress.
ALSO BTW: Tina Turner was living in Switzerland - so doubtful she was eating a "western diet" on a regular basis.
I would be curious to know what her diet was, what type of regular exercise she was doing, whether she abstained from drugs and alcohol.
I’m a firm believer that most of what ails you can be overcome by what food you put into your body, and to just keep moving everyday. Strength training, HIIT, flexibility training. However, just walking 5-10k steps per day is very helpful, too. If that’s all you do, it is likely enough, although it would be better if you did all of those things.
But if she ate a normal western diet, lived a normal western lifestyle where you don’t get exercise much, she of course never got better.
Alt-meds will do nothing for you if you don’t also change your lifestyle.
I believe hypertension can be overcome, but it takes a huge amount of discipline. No alcohol, plenty of exercise, intermittent fasting, omega 3- omega 6 balance, low carbs, the occasional piece of fruit should be the ONLY sugar going into your body, and even that isn’t necessary as you can get plenty of vitamin C from cruciferous vegetables. Absolutely ZERO processed carbs should be consumed. Find ways to get more natural potassium into your body, also lower your cortisol, but of course, if you are eating right, your potassium will be at optimal levels and your cortisol will naturally lower, too, which means less stress.
Anyway, nobody knew any of this back in 1978. Or if they did, it wasn’t very well known.
If I was 38 years old today and was told that I had hypertension, I’d give myself about 1 or 2 years to see if I could control it on my own. If I religiously practiced everything I wrote about above, then, and only then, would I consider taking hypertension meds.
I’m sure if an actual doctor read my post, he’d be outraged. But I honestly believe this and can’t be swayed.
Not all hypertension is diet and lifestyle related.
The fact is that cheap, effective medications with few side effects exist. There was plenty known about hypertension in 1978.
Have you ever watched Tina Turner on stage? She was an amazing dynamo. Her last stage performance was in 2009, when she retired. She was 69. Exercise? LOL! Enjoy.
I would think the TL DR would be that you should check your kidney function period. A lot more than they do now. You can get urine sticks on Amazon and there are micro albulmin / creatine tests that can give you an early warning.
I would have been interested to know what her blood pressure was? Since there is such disagreement over what the cut off should be.
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Honestly though I question the story that high blood pressure per se damages the kidneys. Both parents had high blood pressure and both had damage, mom had a thickened heart wall and my dad has small strokes. (And I question that)
But their kidneys were fine.
Did you know that Tina had cancer? The treatments alone for cancer do tremendous damage to the body. Who is to say that didn't cause the kidney damage?
There is no information given on if she had diabetes or insulin resistance which are often connected with high blood pressure. But it is the high sugar that does the damage.
Finally I have a condition a gammopathy. Most people don't ever know they have it. (mine was found by accident) It can destroy the kidneys. I am guessing there could be a hundred things that could have contributed that Tina wouldn't have known about.
I have begun to doubt because clearly as you age your body increases your blood pressure and a few years back I saw a 60 minutes tidbit that had tracked older people from 60 to 90 or 100. And the longest lived people had the highest blood pressure. This suggested that higher blood pressure had a longevity effect.
Not all hypertension is diet and lifestyle related.
The fact is that cheap, effective medications with few side effects exist. There was plenty known about hypertension in 1978.
Have you ever watched Tina Turner on stage? She was an amazing dynamo. Her last stage performance was in 2009, when she retired. She was 69. Exercise? LOL! Enjoy.
I would think the TL DR would be that you should check your kidney function period. A lot more than they do now. You can get urine sticks on Amazon and there are micro albulmin / creatine tests that can give you an early warning.
I would have been interested to know what her blood pressure was? Since there is such disagreement over what the cut off should be.
I cannot find any numbers for her blood pressure. The "cut off" has changed over time based on complications associated with the levels.
Testing renal function is done on a blood sample.
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Originally Posted by Arya Stark
Honestly though I question the story that high blood pressure per se damages the kidneys. Both parents had high blood pressure and both had damage, mom had a thickened heart wall and my dad has small strokes. (And I question that)
But their kidneys were fine.
Did you know that Tina had cancer? The treatments alone for cancer do tremendous damage to the body. Who is to say that didn't cause the kidney damage?
There is no information given on if she had diabetes or insulin resistance which are often connected with high blood pressure. But it is the high sugar that does the damage.
Finally I have a condition a gammopathy. Most people don't ever know they have it. (mine was found by accident) It can destroy the kidneys. I am guessing there could be a hundred things that could have contributed that Tina wouldn't have known about.
I have begun to doubt because clearly as you age your body increases your blood pressure and a few years back I saw a 60 minutes tidbit that had tracked older people from 60 to 90 or 100. And the longest lived people had the highest blood pressure. This suggested that higher blood pressure had a longevity effect.
Yes, high blood pressure damages the kidneys. When she had her transplant her kidney that was removed would have been sent for pathologic evaluation. If there had been something other than hypertension as a cause it would have been discovered.
Your last statement is a fallacy. Doctors are less likely to try to strictly control the BP in the elderly because lowering it too much can result in falls. It does not mean "that higher blood pressure had a longevity effect".
As best I can tell her intestinal cancer was treated only with surgery. There is no mention of diabetes in any of the articles I have read.
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