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"Many flu vaccines are made using chicken eggs. For several decades, people with egg allergies were recommended to avoid getting the flu vaccine. But this is no longer the case.
Most people with egg allergies can safely receive the annual flu vaccine. Many clinical studies have found that most people allergic to eggs don’t have a reaction to flu vaccines. There are two egg-free flu vaccines available for the 2023-24 flu season: Flucelvax Quadrivalent and Flublok Quadrivalent."
Utilitarianism simply advocates that public policy be made in a way that it does the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Of course, it has to be tempered with some notion of individual rights to avoid a scenario like the one you refer to above.
Public health including vaccination has done much to make the world a better and more liveable place.
What I reject is the notion that individual rights trump the right of a nation or society to protect itself from disease. The people by majority have some rights as a body or entity.
I don't have any problem making vaccination mandatory if there is hard scientific evidence that it substantially reduces overall deaths and has minimal (not nonexistent) side effects. Further, I don't believe such decisions should be left to each individual. Not when diseases are deadly and very contagious.
We could have saved a lot more people if vaccination for Covid 19 had been mandatory. It's a pity those people died.
I don’t believe your last statement is true. I was forced to get the vaccine or lose my job at the hospital. At the time I believed the narrative that getting the vaccine would prevent you from becoming infected. Then the narrative changed to reducing yolk the severity of your infection if you got infected. Then it became you need multiple booster shots. We saw many employees and patients who were admitted for COVID even after they were vaccinated. Until a long term study is produced then the vaccine should not be mandatory. A long term study would identify problems and effectiveness. What underlying condition would one have that may give them a severe negative reaction to the vaccine? How effective is it compared to acquired immunity from previous infection and recovery? Some hospital staff were infected and felt like it was nothing more than a cold. Some were infected and required hospital care.
One issue I witnessed was complacency. As people relied upon their mask they developed a false sense of security and neglected hand washing and of hand sanitizers. They attended large gathering events confident in the effectiveness of their mask while ignoring how the mask was worn and other hygiene issues. City and state governments overreacted in forcing people to remain indoors when walking outside (like on hiking trails, exercising in city parks, or other outdoor physical activities) was actually healthier and less risk of exposure and infection. Knee jerk reactions to a problem are usually the wrong steps and lead to further issues.
I don’t believe your last statement is true. I was forced to get the vaccine or lose my job at the hospital. At the time I believed the narrative that getting the vaccine would prevent you from becoming infected. Then the narrative changed to reducing yolk the severity of your infection if you got infected. Then it became you need multiple booster shots. We saw many employees and patients who were admitted for COVID even after they were vaccinated. Until a long term study is produced then the vaccine should not be mandatory. A long term study would identify problems and effectiveness. What underlying condition would one have that may give them a severe negative reaction to the vaccine? How effective is it compared to acquired immunity from previous infection and recovery? Some hospital staff were infected and felt like it was nothing more than a cold. Some were infected and required hospital care.
One issue I witnessed was complacency. As people relied upon their mask they developed a false sense of security and neglected hand washing and of hand sanitizers. They attended large gathering events confident in the effectiveness of their mask while ignoring how the mask was worn and other hygiene issues. City and state governments overreacted in forcing people to remain indoors when walking outside (like on hiking trails, exercising in city parks, or other outdoor physical activities) was actually healthier and less risk of exposure and infection. Knee jerk reactions to a problem are usually the wrong steps and lead to further issues.
That makes no sense at all from a medical point of view during a pandemic that started killing millions of people. Let's do nothing and wait until a 20 year study can be done with a virus that changed many times over time with vaccines that had moving targets. A 20 year study would involve studying the same vaccine and the same virus making it completely pointless and outdated. Do we do that with the flu?
Populism has bled into the medical field and is trying to take over.
Populism def.
"a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."
People don't want to mask up, people don't want to stay away from other people, people don't want to take vaccines, and people want the right to take whatever medicine they want if they get sick. They don't care about pandemics or what happens to other people.
That makes no sense at all from a medical point of view during a pandemic that started killing millions of people. Let's do nothing and wait until a 20 year study can be done with a virus that changed many times over time with vaccines that had moving targets. A 20 year study would involve studying the same vaccine and the same virus making it completely pointless and outdated. Do we do that with the flu?
Populism has bled into the medical field and is trying to take over.
Populism def.
"a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."
People don't want to mask up, people don't want to stay away from other people, people don't want to take vaccines, and people want the right to take whatever medicine they want if they get sick. They don't care about pandemics or what happens to other people.
And yet the evidence shows the vaccine DID NOT PREVENT INFECTION and whatever benefit it offered was lost within a few months thus them requiring multiple boosters that also didn’t work. Some people LITERALLY died after receiving the vaccine or needed immediate emergency treatment to survive the reaction to the vaccine. If the vaccine had been effective as promised then making it a requirement would have been justified. Making it voluntary UNTIL long term review and then mandatory after confirming its effectiveness is a better option. However it was proven ineffective at prevention and reducing severity of infection so it should NOT be mandatory for ANYONE!
And yet the evidence shows the vaccine DID NOT PREVENT INFECTION and whatever benefit it offered was lost within a few months thus them requiring multiple boosters that also didn’t work. Some people LITERALLY died after receiving the vaccine or needed immediate emergency treatment to survive the reaction to the vaccine. If the vaccine had been effective as promised then making it a requirement would have been justified. Making it voluntary UNTIL long term review and then mandatory after confirming its effectiveness is a better option. However it was proven ineffective at prevention and reducing severity of infection so it should NOT be mandatory for ANYONE!
You determined for yourself what you think is appropriate medical care. You are not a doctor. Doctors are elite right? They are elite because they are licensed to practice medicine and make medical recommendations.
How can you as an individual working in the medical field make yourself the sole determinant of how patients should be treated on whether they should mask, social distance or take vaccines?
You can make that decision for yourself but not for anybody else. There can and should be consequences for your decisions.
That makes no sense at all from a medical point of view during a pandemic that started killing millions of people. Let's do nothing and wait until a 20 year study can be done with a virus that changed many times over time with vaccines that had moving targets. A 20 year study would involve studying the same vaccine and the same virus making it completely pointless and outdated. Do we do that with the flu?
Populism has bled into the medical field and is trying to take over.
Populism def.
"a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."
People don't want to mask up, people don't want to stay away from other people, people don't want to take vaccines, and people want the right to take whatever medicine they want if they get sick. They don't care about pandemics or what happens to other people.
But when they're drowning in lung-mud caused by COVID, they'll go to the hospital and demand treatment.
There are no science-deniers in the ED.
Thank you for being the voice of science and reason on this thread. There's some wacky, paranoid, and even dangerous misinformation here. Heck, some people here don't even seem to understand what vaccines do. They're not to PREVENT infection. They're to enable your body to FIGHT OFF the invading pathogens.
People, unless you are the Boy in the Plastic Bubble, you get infected with all kinds of crap every day. At times you get symptoms that make you feel lousy. At other times you can get little or even no symptoms, which is why some people who have been infected with COVID never knew it.
Think of immunizations like training your immune system. You get a bit of RNA jabbed into your arm. Your immune cells, the "troops," recognize the invader, ramp up their forces, and attack. Then, when the REAL COVID virus invades, your troops are in fighting shape and they kick the enemy's butt before it has a chance to take over.
That's it. That's the whole thing. Vaccines are boot camp for your immune system.
You determined for yourself what you think is appropriate medical care. You are not a doctor. Doctors are elite right? They are elite because they are licensed to practice medicine and make medical recommendations.
How can you as an individual working in the medical field make yourself the sole determinant of how patients should be treated on whether they should mask, social distance or take vaccines?
You can make that decision for yourself but not for anybody else. There can and should be consequences for your decisions.
Let me talk to your leader RFK Jr.
My body should be my choice. How does advocating a worthless vaccine be voluntary means im making a medical decision for everyone? It’s allowing each individual the choice of what to have injected into their bodies. Keep in mind doctors use to perform lobotomy and medical sterilizations on patients against their will for what they perceived as a medical need
But when they're drowning in lung-mud caused by COVID, they'll go to the hospital and demand treatment.
There are no science-deniers in the ED.
Thank you for being the voice of science and reason on this thread. There's some wacky, paranoid, and even dangerous misinformation here. Heck, some people here don't even seem to understand what vaccines do. They're not to PREVENT infection. They're to enable your body to FIGHT OFF the invading pathogens.
People, unless you are the Boy in the Plastic Bubble, you get infected with all kinds of crap every day. At times you get symptoms that make you feel lousy. At other times you can get little or even no symptoms, which is why some people who have been infected with COVID never knew it.
Think of immunizations like training your immune system. You get a bit of RNA jabbed into your arm. Your immune cells, the "troops," recognize the invader, ramp up their forces, and attack. Then, when the REAL COVID virus invades, your troops are in fighting shape and they kick the enemy's butt before it has a chance to take over.
That's it. That's the whole thing. Vaccines are boot camp for your immune system.
They are if the vaccine is an inactive form of the virus which the initial “vaccine” wasn’t.
But when they're drowning in lung-mud caused by COVID, they'll go to the hospital and demand treatment.
There are no science-deniers in the ED.
Thank you for being the voice of science and reason on this thread. There's some wacky, paranoid, and even dangerous misinformation here. Heck, some people here don't even seem to understand what vaccines do. They're not to PREVENT infection. They're to enable your body to FIGHT OFF the invading pathogens.
People, unless you are the Boy in the Plastic Bubble, you get infected with all kinds of crap every day. At times you get symptoms that make you feel lousy. At other times you can get little or even no symptoms, which is why some people who have been infected with COVID never knew it.
Think of immunizations like training your immune system. You get a bit of RNA jabbed into your arm. Your immune cells, the "troops," recognize the invader, ramp up their forces, and attack. Then, when the REAL COVID virus invades, your troops are in fighting shape and they kick the enemy's butt before it has a chance to take over.
That's it. That's the whole thing. Vaccines are boot camp for your immune system.
People don't understand the role of regular antibiotics. The role of the vast majority of antibiotics is to inhibit the growth of bacteria and not to kill the bacteria. We use MIC minimum inhibitory concentration levels to inhibit the growth so that the bodies defenses can come in and actually kill the bacteria. The reason we do this is to minimize the potential side effects if we were to use bactericidal levels of antibiotics. The option of higher doses are there when dealing with immunocompromised individuals.
So one can say that antimicrobials don't kill anything and they are useless because they don't kill bacteria.
There's an intentional manipulation of the science in order to achieve a populist goal.
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