PA finally passes smoking ban! (alcohol, broken, children, cause)
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and you have linkable proof of this..you are saying the majority of smokers are uneducated...that's a pretty broad brush you are painting with
No high school diploma or GED: 29.7%
High school diploma or GED: 27.8%
Some college, no bachelor’s degree: 21.1%
Bachelor’s degree or higher: 10.2%
MrKrab,
You are concerned about kids being exposed to second hand smoke...
Let me ask you this..do you drive a car? Have you driven in Philly....sat on the highway in a major traffic jam??
If so I think you should trade in your car for a bicycle after all it is all about the kids and things like asthma!!
Well I live in a smaller city, so traffic jams are not really a concern. Also, I do live somewhere conveniences like stores, church, drug store, schools, etc are walking distance to my house. Plus, I drive a smaller 4 cylinder car, its not like I'm driving some monster SUV (I work 20 miles away, so a car is a necessity, but I also carpool). Anyways, this is yet another tired ridiculous argument by the pro-smoking crowd....since cars are a necessity, but inhaling burning carcinogen-laced tobacco rolled in paper is not.
No high school diploma or GED: 29.7%
High school diploma or GED: 27.8%
Some college, no bachelor’s degree: 21.1%
Bachelor’s degree or higher: 10.2%
Well I live in a smaller city, so traffic jams are not really a concern. Also, I do live somewhere conveniences like stores, church, drug store, schools, etc are walking distance to my house. Plus, I drive a smaller 4 cylinder car, its not like I'm driving some monster SUV (I work 20 miles away, so a car is a necessity, but I also carpool). Anyways, this is yet another tired ridiculous argument by the pro-smoking crowd....since cars are a necessity, but inhaling burning carcinogen-laced tobacco rolled in paper is not.
I don't care if you drive a Caddy Escalade or a mini cooper you are still contributing to the problem and pooh poohing it away because a car vs smoking is a necessity...maybe so I'll concede you that but you are still pert of the PROBLEM in air quality..it's like those animal activists that throw paint balls on womaen in fur coats yet they have leather shoes on..
Two wrongs do not make a right no matter how you slice it..I'm sure there are many city peeps who do not own a car but have NO say in all the noxios fumes they breathe in all day long
Then I'm surprised you're not more anti-smoking. Ex-smokers (this includes me) tend to be more anti-smoking than people who never smoked. I can say this is because we know what its like to be a slave to the cigarettes and resent it. I know how hard it is to quit smoking...even when you want to....which makes me despise smoking and tobacco companies even more. Also, seeing first-hand what can happen as a result of smoking (we watched my mother-in-law die a hideous death from lung cancer before she reached the age of 50...she was a smoker).
Then I'm surprised you're not more anti-smoking. Ex-smokers (this includes me) tend to be more anti-smoking than people who never smoked. I can say this is because we know what its like to be a slave to the cigarettes and resent it. I know how hard it is to quit smoking...even when you want to....which makes me despise smoking and tobacco companies even more. Also, seeing first-hand what can happen as a result of smoking (we watched my mother-in-law die a hideous death from lung cancer before she reached the age of 50...she was a smoker).
I have no right to say how other people live their lives as long as it's within the law. especially in their own homes.
As someone who smoked I have more tolerance & understanding for people who do from the diehard chain smoker to the casual social smoker...yeah there are a few of them who only smoke when out socializing.
I don't think all the data is in on this just yet....you have people who have smoked their entire lives from an early age and they are still smoking into their late 80's and you have people who have never smoked, never been around smoke dying of lung cancer. I think you are pre disposed you either have the gene or you don't.
In any case we just aren't even going to come to any type of agreement or compromise on subject......enjoy your smoke free enviroment and have a little understading as long as it's not directly affecting you
What really irks me is that these bans are not only on 'public' (i.e. government) property, but PRIVATE property. When you go to the mall or a restaurant you are on private property, owned by an individual or corporation...not public land. Many restaurants had already banned smoking and guess what?? Either smokers didn't go there or they didn't smoke while they were there. The intended result without gubment interference...its A MIRACLE!! But the nanny state can't leave well enough alone and let the market change as attitudes towards smoking change. Even without legislation there would be fewer establishments that allow smoking in the next 5 years, 10 years...but who wants to wait for people who own the property to make the choices when gubment can do it??
I am not in favor of further restrictions on private property and I might just be in favor of repealing a good number of the laws already on the books. I am also not in favor of gubment (via taking my money) paying for the poor choices of Mr. Cheeseburger who eats himself (or smokes himself) into a coronary but never paid for health insurance...but that is a topic for another thread.
I agree first a private business is forced to comply. Next you will not be able to smoke in your own home or car. This is another form of nanny state mentality and hypocrysy. The same legislators who vote for the smoking ban are the same people who have no problem taxing smokers. They are also the same legislators who have YOUR tax dollars subsidize tobacco farmers. Hypocrysy.
I am not a smoker and I never have been. Smokers are the latest group of people to be used as a punching bag. They are treated like garbage but the same people that treat them that way have no problem taking $$$$ in taxes to fund their pet projects.
If smoking is so evil that it must be banned from public places then why is it allowed at all? Why do our federal $$ subsidize tobacco farmers. Why is it not outlawed all together? It is because greedy politicians have become too addicted to the tax dollars that they get. There is always less public outcry over raising taxes on smokes than raising other taxes.
I'm thrilled, my state finally gets into the 21st century and passes a smoking ban. It will be nice to be able to go and eat a meal out with my kids. There are many places I would not go to eat before, because I would not subject my kids to cigarette smoke! The next thing that needs to be done is to ban smoking around children. Parents should not be able to smoke in houses or cars with kids present. I can't even believe that people would need to be forced to do this....but everyday, I see ignorant adults driving around in cars smoking with kids in the backseat, or smoking in their houses with kids there, or pushing a baby stroller with one hand and puffing a Marlboro with the other. Would it be that hard for these people to step outside away from their children to indulge in their disgusting smelly cancerous addiction?
I'm with you - as a non-smoker I'm totally thrilled about this. It's funny, I was out a a local diner yesterday for lunch with friends and God, it smelled of smoke so bad - just really grossed me out.
I used to love going to see local bands and really got away from it because of all the smokers - so I'm going to read the article now and hope that it's banned in all the good places!! I'm happy though that something is being done!!
In any case we just aren't even going to come to any type of agreement or compromise on subject......enjoy your smoke free enviroment and have a little understading as long as it's not directly affecting you
Well, the PA ban is not as strict as other states. Smoking will still be allowed in bars that do less than 20% of their business in food. Also 25% of casino floors will allow smoking, as well as private clubs and tobacco shops.
I'm OK with this, because a lot of those smaller bars are in residential neighborhoods. I could not imagine what it would be like to live near a bar and have crowds of smokers outside on the sidewalk, smoking, littering their butts, and probably being fairly loud at late hours of the night after drinking for a while. Better off to just let them smoke inside.
I'm happy with this ban, because esentially, any public place where there will be children, there will be no smoking. But smokers will still have one last bastion in the corner dive bars.
[quote=MrKrabs;4067358]Well, the PA ban is not as strict as other states. Smoking will still be allowed in bars that do less than 20% of their business in food. Also 25% of casino floors will allow smoking, as well as private clubs and tobacco shops.
I'm OK with this, because a lot of those smaller bars are in residential neighborhoods. I could not imagine what it would be like to live near a bar and have crowds of smokers outside on the sidewalk, smoking, littering their butts, and probably being fairly loud at late hours of the night after drinking for a while. Better off to just let them smoke inside.
I'm happy with this ban, because esentially, any public place where there will be children, there will be no smoking. But smokers will still have one last bastion in the corner dive bars.[/QUOTE]
now now..not all corner bars are dives
For the most part judging on other smoking bans this is on the fair side..and my issue really wasn't with the ban..it's when you took it to another level saying it should be banned in cars & homes with kids..imo that is grossly over stepping the bounds....
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