They cant cure it (diet, negative, disease, chronic)

[PinkString]

Originally Posted by twixcookie

You've missed my point entirely. I know enough about medicine, I work in it. I am saying I don't know if it is worth doing all of this to gain a few years. So you give up the burgers, the Twizzlers, the apple pie...for what, a few more years?

No i did not miss your point. The way I see it, if you believe you only have a few years left, then that is what you have. Now if you change your thinking and think you have 20, 30 or more years left, then that is what you have. It's the law of attraction. You really do get what you think about.
As far as me, I hope to live to 101 minimum. That's my goal. Good luck and I do hope things get better for you.

[twixcookie]

Originally Posted by ino

[Now, I have worked hard...etc etc etc],

Well twix, sorry to say this, but yet again you've raised a smile on my face, as...ditto...See, it's amazing how some minds think alike in some respects. Again, you are talking my language. I'm just like you, see, I can only do, with the cards I was dealt with! Unfortunately, (or not I s'pose), there are probably heaps of others that think similar, or have had in the past, or will most likely do so in the future...not just you, but haven't found them yet, but alas, you have brought one out of the woodwork...me. I don't know if you understand this, but in a wacky sense you have helped me as well I suppose, HEY, and probably others as well in some way. This is where forums such as this can be a really good experience, (although I think I sort of invited myself on this forum site, and probably was rather rude to do that as I don't live in the US, but I guess someone will tell me to go if I'm not supposed to be here). There is nothing quite like good communications with others who are willing to put their hearts on their sleeves, the down side of course is that all and sundry can see it, but who cares, it's not like I'm going to sit at the same table as you to eat lunch or anything.

That's enough, I think it's time I blended back into the shadows again, and I'll pretend nobody has noticed I've been here.

Hoo Roo, and Best of Luck.

Very glad to have read your contributions. I guess my honesty was rather raw, but this is where life has led me. I guess life is rather raw. I suppose if one has a lot of luck and a great life, they would want to live for a long time. I was being honest in how I felt...I am just tired of struggling. I think alot of people take for granted what they have. They assume everyone owns a home, has family nearby, etc. I have had people ask me how I have lived through 3 moves in order to stay employed. I feel like I haven't had a choice. I could have stayed unemployed and not moved. But of course, that wasn't an option since I couldn't find a thing where I was.

Thanks for all you said and it is appreciated.

[twixcookie]

Originally Posted by PinkString

No i did not miss your point. The way I see it, if you believe you only have a few years left, then that is what you have. Now if you change your thinking and think you have 20, 30 or more years left, then that is what you have. It's the law of attraction. You really do get what you think about.
As far as me, I hope to live to 101 minimum. That's my goal. Good luck and I do hope things get better for you.

It isn't quantity of life, but quality.
There is no law of attraction or any "Secret"...no one can manipulate reality with their wishes. That got popular again with that book, but it was popular in the 70s with other guru writers.
If it were true, Id be living on some desert isle with enough money to live out the rest of my years. If it were true, I would have owned a home years ago. If it were true, I'd have never gotten sick and accumulated any medical debt.
See, the problem with the Secret is...when you don't get what you want, you are told you didn't think about it or want it enough.

[ino]

DOH!! You've got to stop quoting those one liners twix, it's too irresistable to me!

"I guess my honesty was rather raw, but this is where life has led me".

That's what honesty is twix...raw! As raw as the day we came into this world, and I said too much in my responses as well, but again, who cares! I call it 'wearing ones heart on ones sleeve', unfortunately it's in plain view. Everyone who interacts here could pass each other in the street and would be none the wiser for 'whoever' said 'what' here. It isn't so bad though because as you said..."Life is rather raw". Hey, when I feel crap closing in on me I call it "Life Sucks", and I purposely capitalized Sucks because I think it warrants it, it puts a little more stress on the feeling I have at the time.

"if one has a lot of luck and a great life, they would want to live for a long time".

This one really cracked me up because when I go on about things someone usually quips back, "Well it would be OK if you lived in a perfect world, but you don't, so get over it". It certainly stops me in my tracks.

"I am just tired of struggling".

Yep, that one brings the same response as well. This is from one of my daughters and I got to say she has a way of bringing me down a peg or two and making me see the reality of things.

"I think alot of people take for granted what they have".

THIS is the one that cuts to the bone. THIS is the one liner of yours that really hits the mark for me, and probably for many others as well...GUILTY AS CHARGED! This is the one that makes me sit back on my backside and take stock of myself, what have I got... not a lot, what I have achieved...not a great deal, what do I want out of life...bit late to worry about that now so I don't waste my time going there, am I happy with my lot...well I gave life my best shot and that's all I can do, what can I do about it...not much I guess, am I really that badly off?...that last one gets me thinking then. I look around me and realise that, hey, my life isn't that bad I suppose, by comparison to some others!

I could go on but I think you should be getting the gist of where I could go. I got debts but stuff it, if they aren't cleared up before I go, then I won't be in a position to care after I'm gone, they will be someone elses problem, not mine. I decided a while ago, probably around that choking episode, that if it's beyond my control then so be it, I now only worry about the things I believe I can control.

And please...pretty please, stop with those one liners, or I am going to have to learn a new language as I find them too irresistable. :-) I better learn some self control I think.

[Towhee]

Originally Posted by PinkString

No i did not miss your point. The way I see it, if you believe you only have a few years left, then that is what you have. Now if you change your thinking and think you have 20, 30 or more years left, then that is what you have. It's the law of attraction. You really do get what you think about.
As far as me, I hope to live to 101 minimum. That's my goal. Good luck and I do hope things get better for you.

I am afraid I cannot agree with this. When I was a teenager I didn't think I would live to be older than 22. I have no idea why that age, but I was pretty sure of it. Now I am 75, and hoping I do not live to be 90 !
My husband's father died with cancer when he was only 54. I think he, ( my DH), thought he would not live longer than that,too. He will be 82 the last of this month.

[CosmicWizard]

Even though life seems to really SUCK much of the time, I'm still looking forward to my 100th birthday, 41 years down the road.

[SifuPhil]

Originally Posted by Marianinark

I am afraid I cannot agree with this. When I was a teenager I didn't think I would live to be older than 22. I have no idea why that age, but I was pretty sure of it. Now I am 75, and hoping I do not live to be 90 !
My husband's father died with cancer when he was only 54. I think he, ( my DH), thought he would not live longer than that,too. He will be 82 the last of this month.

I had to watch as two aunts of mine were admitted to a nursing home (or whatever euphemism they're using for them these days) in their early 90's. Those places literally and figuratively sucked the life out of them.

But they stayed alive for many more years - one stayed on for 6 years, the other 8 - dementia set in and was horrible to watch. Watching their bank accounts, that they'd worked and slaved their entire lives to build to over $250,000, vanish within a year without their ever enjoying it.

That isn't living - it's surviving. I only hope that when and if I get to that point, I'll still be functional enough to take my exit on my own two feet...

[ino]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

I had to watch as two aunts of mine were admitted to a nursing home (or whatever euphemism they're using for them these days) in their early 90's. Those places literally and figuratively sucked the life out of them.

But they stayed alive for many more years - one stayed on for 6 years, the other 8 - dementia set in and was horrible to watch. Watching their bank accounts, that they'd worked and slaved their entire lives to build to over $250,000, vanish within a year without their ever enjoying it.

That isn't living - it's surviving. I only hope that when and if I get to that point, I'll still be functional enough to take my exit on my own two feet...

YES! I watched my father in law go this way and it was the most inhuman thing I will ever likely witness. I have warned my family that if I ever get to the stage of dementia starting, and I am aware of it, I will end it before surrendering totally to this hideous end. The ma in laws' Motor Neuron was bad enough.

There's not a person on earth that deserves to be reduced to this state after putting in all the years doing what they can with what they have.

Read this persons post twix and then look in the mirror. These are the sort of comments that sits me on my backside and makes me look at myself in the mirror. This could be your future...or mine...oh well, another challenge and another opportunity to kick life in the ar$e. Bring it on life, let's have it out....again!

Tried to rep you my friend but couldnt 'cos I had done it already apparently!

[JenLee]

The whole problem I see with this idea of giving up and "letting Nature take its' course" is we don't know when it's "our time" to go!

Now, if you had cancer and had the choice of chemo and radiation, or death, you *might* have a better handle on when your demise will be than the average Joe out there has. But if you're talking about heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, or a multitude of other diseases, you just don't know, do you?

I don't wish to live to be 100; that sounds like a lot of work to me. But I do want to live the rest of my life to the fullest. I want to be awake and functional for each day of the rest of my life. This means I need to do certain things to take care of my physical body. I believe someone somewhere in this thread said something about the only thing that they have is their ethics and morals; well, you also have your body and you are in control of that too.

My hubby was diagnosed over 22 years ago with M.S. and at times his body betrays him. But he knows that certain things make these episodes worse (such as heat causes severe fatigue and weakness); so he tries to reduce the things that adversely affect him. His mother died at 52 from complications arising from M.S.; he thought he'd die that year too. He's now over 60 and still doing what he can to maintain his highest level of functioning; there's no chance either of us will just give up and "let Nature take its' course."

No one has a perfect little sheltering bubble over them protecting them from harm. I would chance a guess that nearly everyone posting in this forum is doing so because they DO have something that affects their health and state of wellness. I would also guess that several here may have extremely complex medical histories and conditions. I think that having a defeatist attitude or just giving up and not doing what you can to care for yourself is rather self-centered. It is your responsibility to yourself and the rest of society to take care of what health you have because you don't know when your time is up.

[twixcookie]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

I had to watch as two aunts of mine were admitted to a nursing home (or whatever euphemism they're using for them these days) in their early 90's. Those places literally and figuratively sucked the life out of them.

But they stayed alive for many more years - one stayed on for 6 years, the other 8 - dementia set in and was horrible to watch. Watching their bank accounts, that they'd worked and slaved their entire lives to build to over $250,000, vanish within a year without their ever enjoying it.

That isn't living - it's surviving. I only hope that when and if I get to that point, I'll still be functional enough to take my exit on my own two feet...

This is what I am talking about...yes...