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Yes I knew a lady who would not vaccinate her kids because she said that they had a god given immune system and it would kick in if something happened . where do people get this stuff from ? I think god created drs to help us when our bodys cant .
Exactly.
Smallpox, you only get it once and it is a true tragedy the poor little life form got wiped off the face of the planet.
And then there is polio. I grew up in the 1950's in the era of fear and a kid in an iron lung on every block. When is polio going to come back?
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Jan. 23, 2009 - A Hib meningitis outbreak has killed one Minnesota infant and sickened four others, prompting the CDC to warn parents to make sure their kids have had their basic Hib vaccinations.
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The anti-vaccine trend didn't spontaneously appear. That's just silliness.
That is right...
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It's more than just Jenny doing the awakening of the people.
Awakening? it depends on who you ask.
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Bimbo vs Doctor? Really? I will go out on a limb and say that those belittling Jenny have never met her.
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Just because someone is a doctor, doesn't mean their an expert on all medical areas of the body. Talk about high expectations...
That makes them an expert yes, not a specialist, but en expert compared to general public.
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There was one case that I read about three years ago where MMR was directly linked to causing autism and the family successfully sued the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
Do you mean one research or one case?
If so where is the link or proof?
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Mercury-free vaccines must be requested.
The Vet I visit has been looking into a vaccine w/o Thimerosal/Mercury. The more Vets/consumers that request a change (power of numbers) the more likely the change will occur.
OK,
I do agree that power is in numbers.
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The FDA/CDC has been compromised for decades, and I don't care about their short-sightedness. The FDA has not done the research to say: this toxin is something we are now banning from use in all US pharmaceuticals. Even wikipedia tells the public under the safety section that the Mercury (element) is a toxin; with the skull and cross bones.
Why are you worried about Mercury when is no longer in childrens vaccine?
So why continue with the movement?
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Congress yelled at the FDA to remove Thimerosal/Mercury from children's vaccines.
There is not any safe dose of poison. The oath Doctors take: "I will use treatment to help the sick. I will never use it to injure them or wrong them. I will not give poison to anyone."
This oath came before this country, before any law. No law can make us take a poison unless it's the death penalty.
Are you sure that is the Hippocratic Oath, or you just made it up?
I would like to see the word poison in the Hippocratic Oath.
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I feel the judge that ordered a child to go into chemo treatment has clearly demonstrated how the government has continued to overstep their position and violated the boundaries of "We The People". If thy assumption is correct. The gov't intimidated the parents through the use of 'fear of loss' to use the child as an example. I believe this child would have been in the Gerson Therapy (http://www.gerson.org/g_therapy/default.asp - broken link), which is very very successful at healing the body of cancer. Link 1 Any doctor who knows of an alternative treatment and fails to share it with their patient would loose their license to practice, pay a fine and go to jail.
Ok, the government is thinking of the best interest of the child, while the parents are not, and they have admitted that the child got worse and needs help.
And you have it the wrong way, any doctor that talks to a Pt and pushes alternative medicine or treatment(and tells the Pt to ignores other treatments) and the patient dies(under his care), this doctor can be sued and could lose his lic.
From your own links
Link 2: "This should have posed no risk to the child because the guidelines were established based on exposure to this amount of mercury every day."
Where in your link 3 talks about your subject?
Link4: Not even one research for reference, funny.
Link 5: And the source?
link 6: Great,, source Hugh Fudenberg, MD, a doctor that lost his Lic. for ever. Great quotes from a great source
Link 7: What is this, nothing to do with vaccines...
Link 8: Why do you want use to learn the schedule of vaccination of animals? Did you even read this links???
Link 9: A webpage to buy a book.
Great source of information!!!
You know ignorance is something we can heal from, but only when the person wants to be get better.
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That's a partial truth. Most Doctors are taught how to think and how to treat people. Typically, some of western medicine works and the other parts just mask the symptoms. Some Doctors will compromise and tell patients to "live with it". It's easy to see how Doctors are preventing death because of the fear of being sued by the surviving family members. People are taught to fear things... Big Pharm wants patients for life, as there pension plan. Why cure something when it's a better wage to keep them on a drug for life?
So did Big Pharm created Vaccines to prevent future illness?
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Finally, Medical School students, (including thyself) are bringing sexy back! (I keed) We are wanting unbiased professors and learning about both eastern and western medicine. Link 10
Wow, if you are really that smart, in medical school and in Harvard, why dont you know the hippocratic Oath, and why are you giving us links that has nothing to do with current subject.
Also student are not talking about eastern medicine.
[I do not agree with the "bimbo" calling at all. However, I do find it pretty ironic that she would have (and keep) breast implants -- a foreign substance -- in her body yet be so vocal about a vaccine]
Agree with you also HighLandGal, pretty ironic for sure.
[I do not agree with the "bimbo" calling at all. However, I do find it pretty ironic that she would have (and keep) breast implants -- a foreign substance -- in her body yet be so vocal about a vaccine]
Agree with you also HighLandGal, pretty ironic for sure.
She (and MANY other people including doctors) are talking about putting "foreign substances" in CHILDREN.
And for the record, many people are not opting out of vaccines because of autism.
So of these kids with whooping cough, how many died?
Funny those of you who are against a parent's wish to NOT vaccinate think YOUR right TO vaccinate means much much more.
It's the parents choice to vaccinate their children, but it's the child who suffers the consequence of that decision.
Is Whooping cough itself bad? No not really, but there are many that are that can be vaccinated against...honestly I have never seen, read or heard anyone who was just against one vaccine. I've only seen it as against all or against none...so I kind of written towards the big bruisers of diseases.
Just a story why you should maybe take the health of your child into consideration in order to get them vaccinated. I had a neighbor growing up who's parents were in the anti vaccine club in the late 1960's...they were hippies who believed in natural cures and living off the grid (thought of doctors as a conspiracy, just my opinion is they were spooked from early problems inactivating it as well). The problem is that she and her sister contracted polio, the monster, and had the neurological complications. While not needing an iron lung, she was crippled in both legs requiring a cane and braces (her sister didn't survive). As soon as she could she left her parents and never went back, she was so angry at them for having the tools at their disposal to prevent this dreaded illness and letting her and her sister receive the consequence of it for such silly reasons. She told us this story after they had found her and were attempting to reunite with her...I don't really remember what she was yelling at them, but I certainly remember her spitting on them.
I had been rolling my eyes at the Jenny McCarth business, but I actualyl caught a clip of her on a talk show, and she advocated DELAYING vaccines, not ELIMINATING them for one's child.
Personally, I go with the program on vaccines, but her rumored opinions, and the words that came out her mouth were two different things.
Funny those of you who are against a parent's wish to NOT vaccinate think YOUR right TO vaccinate means much much more
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The choice to vaccinate one's child not only protects the vaccinated child but the community at large....
The choice not to vaccinate endangers said child along with the community at large...
Not so funny really, but important to understand.
"This study helps dispel one of the commonly held beliefs among vaccine-refusing parents: that their children are not at risk for vaccine preventable diseases," lead author Jason Glanz, a senior scientist at Kaiser Permanente's Institute for Health Research, said in a Kaiser news release.
"It also shows that the decision to refuse immunizations could have important ramifications for the health of the entire community. Based on our analysis, we found that one in 10 additional whooping cough infections could have been prevented by immunization," Glanz said.
Among kids with whooping cough, 18, or 12 percent, had parents who refused the vaccine, versus less than 1 percent of children in a comparison group who didn't get sick and included kids who had at least some of the shots. Nine children, or 6 percent, had to be hospitalized, but none died.
Overall, 11 percent of whooping cough cases were attributed to vaccine refusal.
If only 11 to 12 percent of whooping cough cases were caused by parents not getting the shots for their kids, does that mean that about 89% of cases were in vaccinated children?
And according to the quote in the post above,
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Based on our analysis, we found that one in 10 additional whooping cough infections could have been prevented by immunization," Glanz said.
So then nine out of ten could not have been or were not prevented, even with the vaccination?
For the record, I knew lots of people who did not vaccinate their children before Jenny McCarthy started her autism crusade... and I know quite a few people my age (in their 30s) who were not vaccinated. This is not something new.
If only 11 to 12 percent of whooping cough cases were caused by parents not getting the shots for their kids, does that mean that about 89% of cases were in vaccinated children?
And according to the quote in the post above,
So then nine out of ten could not have been or were not prevented, even with the vaccination?
For the record, I knew lots of people who did not vaccinate their children before Jenny McCarthy started her autism crusade... and I know quite a few people my age (in their 30s) who were not vaccinated. This is not something new.
Funny, Why would you....an anti vaccine crusader.....find a soon to be published study that proves what vaccine boosters have been saying all along about herd immunity interesting?
For the record, no....you can't interpret the stats above the way you seem to want. More information is needed but based upon the overall findings of the study, ie unvaccinated children being 23 times MORE likely to develop whooping cough its not possible to interpret it the way you want.
Its not that difficult to understand......lets say of the 750 children studied 700 were vaccinated and 120 still developed whooping cough, in the unvaccinated pool of 50 children 20 developed whooping.
The number infected may be higher in the vaccinated pool but thats because there are so many more children in that pool...
The relative risk however of developing the disease will be MUCH higher in the unvaccinated pool.
The second part of the equation has to do with herd immunity, a concept which you have never really seemed to grasp. A one in 10 drop in the overall community means a potential 10% decrease in cases occuring in the already vaccinated community....
This validates what people like myself have been saying all along YOUR DECISION NOT TO VACCINATE PUTS MY CHILD AT RISK EVEN THOUGH I HAVE WISELY CHOSEN TO VACCINATE
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