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Old 06-19-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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A vegetarian is a prime candidate for high homocysteine. Without animal products there is NO way to get B12 unless there is supplementation (which most in the medical field say is a waste of money and unnecessary).

Meanwhile there is methionine in beans, garlic, onions, potatoes etc.

So, without B12 this methionine turns to homocysteine and NEVER is processed back to methionine which in turn is processed into glutathione, taurine and SAM-E (*) (the most important product of methionine)

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Methionine: An Essential Sulfur-Containing Amino Acid (http://www.healthnews.com/natural-health/amino-acids/methionine-essential-sulfur-containing-amino-acid-643.html - broken link)
I said vegetarian, not vegan.
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Old 06-19-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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I said vegetarian, not vegan.

wasn't referring to you personally
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Old 06-19-2010, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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"Real proof"????

Where would THAT be.....certainly wasn't any contained in ANY of the posts I responded to in this long ago thread...

As for you, I have yet to see even ONE referenced article to support any of the specious claims you make....

Typical for you it seems....make a claim...fail to back it up...move on

No,no. You just don't get it. I'm just ignoring you and your idiotic requests for more and more proof of science that is known to millions of intelligent people.

P.S. perhaps if you were a real doctor you might know what I know.

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Old 06-19-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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75 % of heart attack patients do NOT have high LDL levels.

Most Heart Attack Patients' Cholesterol Levels Did Not Indicate Cardiac Risk
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Old 06-19-2010, 02:50 PM
 
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wasn't referring to you personally
Either way, I agree that vegans are prime candidates, vegetarians typically aren't since the diet can include egg/dairy.
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Old 06-19-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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75 % of heart attack patients do NOT have high LDL levels.

Most Heart Attack Patients' Cholesterol Levels Did Not Indicate Cardiac Risk
From what I can tell the study is saying what's considered normal is actually high.
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Old 06-19-2010, 05:43 PM
 
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75 % of heart attack patients do NOT have high LDL levels.

Most Heart Attack Patients' Cholesterol Levels Did Not Indicate Cardiac Risk
Reading comprehension not your strong suit is it??

Thats NOT what the "study" (actually article) states....

It states that the current target guidelines for treatment need to be LOWERED....NOT that having a high LDL isn't a risk factor for CAD

LOL......maybe you should stick to making ridiculous claims WITHOUT trying to back them up.....since you tend to contradict your "claims" with your "proof"
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Reading comprehension not your strong suit is it??

Thats NOT what the "study" (actually article) states....

It states that the current target guidelines for treatment need to be LOWERED....NOT that having a high LDL isn't a risk factor for CAD

LOL......maybe you should stick to making ridiculous claims WITHOUT trying to back them up.....since you tend to contradict your "claims" with your "proof"
and maybe YOU should stick to cleaning bedpans and stop pretending to be a doctor because it's YOU that missed the point.

Actually this article proves my point that LDL is not a significant factor when it comes to potential heart attack victims. Lowering the target guidelines only means more people on cholesterol lowering medication, which, by the way, raises homocysteine levels.

Bottom line is most victims of heart attacks have normal LDL and high homocysteine.

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Old 06-19-2010, 09:56 PM
 
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I really don't see the reason for this argument. Basically no one on these forums not desparate is going to follow anyone here's advise but rely on actual trained specialist.From every specailist I have ever heard they certainly agree with blueevilz.
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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I believe that high cholesterol is a symptom of heart disease. It does not cause it. From what I have read, cholesterol is the circulatory systems "band aid". When the body feels the need to protect the heart, veins and arteries from damage, additional cholesterol is created to provide a protective layer. As damage continues, the protective layer is built up thicker and thicker until, ultimately it interferes with blood flow.

Remove the problem and you remove the need for the body to protect delicate tissues from damage.

Sodium is a HUGE, HUGE factor in heart disease. By consuming hundreds of times (maybe even thousands of times) what a body needs to function, it throws off the very delicate potassium, magnesium, sodium balance causing some forms of heart disease.

Not to mention the fact that clinical poisons (commonly known as medicines) are dependent upon the circulatory system for transport on a cellular level. The heart's CONSTANT exposure to these extremely toxic substances has a very deleterious effect on it's health and functioning. I am convinced that the over-medication of this country is the number one reason that heart disease is so prevalent.

20yrsinBranson
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